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Raymond Tue Apr 09, 2013 09:12am

NCAA-Men's Final Video Request (Burke foul on Siva)
 
5:09 of the 2nd half.

Didn't see a foul live. Didn't see one on the replay.

Years ago in my first "big" HS game between defending state champs and their best intra-conference competion I called a similar foul on a play between 2 future D1 starters. The observer, female NCAA-W official, taught me about the philosophy of athletic players making athletic blocks and about the Lead laying off above-the-rim action.

APG Tue Apr 09, 2013 09:15am

Quote:

Originally Posted by maroonx (Post 889895)
Good whistle on the Burke block. Going to goal, offensive player in the air, contact and offensive player hits the floor. Watch the off hand on Siva's hip. Entirely too much contact. Why would an official hold whistle just because of a high stakes game? A foul is a foul.

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An official would hold his whistle because that's not a foul at any level of play.

Adam Tue Apr 09, 2013 09:21am

I'd like to think I'd hold off on that call.

kk13 Tue Apr 09, 2013 10:13am

I like Burke being vertical here. Look where he takes off and where he lands. Good block! No foul.

OKREF Tue Apr 09, 2013 11:08am

Don't know what the L saw. Did you notice Burke, I wonder what Higgins was telling him?

ballgame99 Tue Apr 09, 2013 11:20am

That's just a really bad angle by the L isn't it? He got caught in no man's land and flatlined himself. Either beat them down the floor and get the right angle, or hang back and get a better angle. Really unfortunate call.

JRutledge Tue Apr 09, 2013 12:24pm

The L should have buttonhooked or stopped before getting to the end line. He took away his angle and saw mostly the end result of the play. He would have gotten a better angle if he stopped in the middle of the lane (Depth to the end line, not actual position) and let the play finish from there. He was straight-lined and missed the play for that reason IMO. We have all done it, even these guys.

Peace

Camron Rust Tue Apr 09, 2013 12:26pm

The only thing he "might" be calling was body contact. Burke was nowhere near LGP and jumped into Siva. This is often not called (rightfully so), but it was contact and it was from a defender who didn't have LGP and was jumping into his opponent.

JRutledge Tue Apr 09, 2013 12:30pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by Camron Rust (Post 889997)
The only thing he "might" be calling was body contact. Burke was nowhere near LGP and jumped into Siva. This is often not called (rightfully so), but it was contact and it was from a defender who didn't have LGP and was jumping into his opponent.

But a player does not always fall because of body contact. Silva fell because a person stopped his momentum by blocking the ball. A player is not going to be under control under those circumstances. I guess I am baffled that people do not expect contact on a blocked shot at the rim.

Peace

#olderthanilook Tue Apr 09, 2013 12:45pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by JRutledge (Post 889999)
But a player does not always fall because of body contact. Silva fell because a person stopped his momentum by blocking the ball. A player is not going to be under control under those circumstances. I guess I am baffled that people do not expect contact on a blocked shot at the rim.

Peace

Exactly

Raymond Tue Apr 09, 2013 12:47pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by Camron Rust (Post 889997)
The only thing he "might" be calling was body contact. Burke was nowhere near LGP and jumped into Siva. This is often not called (rightfully so), but it was contact and it was from a defender who didn't have LGP and was jumping into his opponent.

Burke jumped into the backboard, not into Siva. I believe the word would be parallel.

fullor30 Tue Apr 09, 2013 12:56pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by ballgame99 (Post 889964)
That's just a really bad angle by the L isn't it? He got caught in no man's land and flatlined himself. Either beat them down the floor and get the right angle, or hang back and get a better angle. Really unfortunate call.

+1000000000000000000

Funny he also posed from his straightlined position. If he had moved down a few steps after he blew, maybe not as noticeable albeit the wrong call IMHO

Looks like a guess to me.


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