Wichita State-Louisville held ball (Baker/Hancock 2nd half)

[zebraman]

Sometimes you have to just look at an official on a tough play and say, "it sucks to be him." Tough play..... lots of options. In real time, I have no problem with a held ball rather than a weak foul or a travel that might have been the result of a weak foul.

[Multiple Sports]

Originally Posted by Camron Rust

I just saw another angle of the play. It was a lot more conclusive. Held ball was a good call.

Cam -

Not sayin your wrong , but if you know the arrow favors Lville, why can't you just let that play out for another second or two, if ball pops loose then great.

The game manager in me is not blowin a damn thing unless it is WSU arrow or held for another second or two.......

Once the arrow was blown game was over !!!!

[rockyroad]

Originally Posted by Multiple Sports

Cam -

Not sayin your wrong , but if you know the arrow favors Lville, why can't you just let that play out for another second or two, if ball pops loose then great.

The game manager in me is not blowin a damn thing unless it is WSU arrow or held for another second or two.......

Once the arrow was blown game was over !!!!

Interesting.

So if the arrow favored Wichita State, you would say it was a good call. But you don't like the call because the arrow was pointimg Louisville's way...intersting way to call a game.

And I would counter that once the Baker kid could not come down cleanly with what should have been an easy rebound, THAT is when the game was over.

[Multiple Sports]

I'd be OK with the call......

[MD Longhorn]

Originally Posted by icallfouls

How in the heck could the L see this, and I really don't like the C's look either. For me the definition of a held ball was not met. At most that was a 4th/5th grade girls held ball.

That's funny, considering we don't have either L's look or C's look.

[MD Longhorn]

Originally Posted by Multiple Sports

Cam -

Not sayin your wrong , but if you know the arrow favors Lville, why can't you just let that play out for another second or two, if ball pops loose then great.

Frankly, that is awful.

Who the arrow belongs too is immaterial, and should not come into your thought process at all. If it's a HB, and you pass because one team or the other has the arrow, you've just intentionally cheated the other team out of the ball on the next arrow.

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by Multiple Sports

Cam -

Not sayin your wrong , but if you know the arrow favors Lville, why can't you just let that play out for another second or two, if ball pops loose then great.

The game manager in me is not blowin a damn thing unless it is WSU arrow or held for another second or two.......

Once the arrow was blown game was over !!!!

I am not making any call based on what I think is the case with the arrow. Sorry, not happening. It either is a held ball or it is not. Judgment call and I have seen nothing that changes that fact on this call.

Peace

[Adam]

Originally Posted by jrutledge

i am not making any call based on what i think is the case with the arrow. Sorry, not happening. It either is a held ball or it is not. Judgment call and i have seen nothing that changes that fact on this call.

Peace

+1

[Camron Rust]

Originally Posted by Multiple Sports

Cam -

Not sayin your wrong , but if you know the arrow favors Lville, why can't you just let that play out for another second or two, if ball pops loose then great.

The game manager in me is not blowin a damn thing unless it is WSU arrow or held for another second or two.......

Once the arrow was blown game was over !!!!

So you wanted WSU to win?

You could certainly make the case that they should have waited a moment longer (still would have been a held ball since it didn't come loose) but that decision shouldn't be based on who has the arrow.

[kk13]

Originally Posted by MD Longhorn

That's funny, considering we don't have either L's look or C's look.

Where is the old T/new L in all of this? He is not even in the picture. He might have had the best look had he been where he needed to be at this time.

[Camron Rust]

Originally Posted by kk13

Where is the old T/new L in all of this? He is not even in the picture. He might have had the best look had he been where he needed to be at this time.

Probably heading the other way to become new lead.

If he had come back to get this, it might as well be Louisville/Baylor again....probably the worst view of all.

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by Multiple Sports

If you know the arrow favors Lville, why can't you just let that play out for another second or two ...

Originally Posted by MD Longhorn

Who the arrow belongs too is immaterial, and should not come into your thought process at all.

Originally Posted by JRutledge

I am not making any call based on what I think is the case with the arrow. Sorry, not happening. It either is a held ball or it is not.

MD Longhorn and JRutledge: Great posts. I would hope that all officials agree with your held ball philosophy.

[STFD]

Originally Posted by Multiple Sports

.... but if you know the arrow favors Lville, why can't you just let that play out for another second or two, if ball pops loose then great.

The game manager in me is not blowin a damn thing unless it is WSU arrow or held for another second or two.......

Once the arrow was blown game was over !!!!

I think that most would agree that this was a "high impact" call. IMO such situations require that we be extra certain with what we have. Here, maybe that means we wait another split second before coming with a HB. From the camera angle, I think there's enough doubt as to whether the ball was really tied up, and I would tend to let them play on. If L'ville doesn't have the arrow, this call is not nearly as impactful.

[rockyroad]

Originally Posted by STFD

I think that most would agree that this was a "high impact" call. IMO such situations require that we be extra certain with what we have. Here, maybe that means we wait another split second before coming with a HB. From the camera angle, I think there's enough doubt as to whether the ball was really tied up, and I would tend to let them play on. If L'ville doesn't have the arrow, this call is not nearly as impactful.

Again...who cares who has the arrow. Was it a held ball? Sure looks like it to me.

But, just to humor you and MS, let's say they don't call that held ball. The next thing that is going to happen is the whistle will blow for a travel on the Baker kid from WS. I wonder how "impactful" that would have been?

[Camron Rust]

Originally Posted by rockyroad

Again...who cares who has the arrow. Was it a held ball? Sure looks like it to me.

But, just to humor you and MS, let's say they don't call that held ball. The next thing that is going to happen is the whistle will blow for a travel on the Baker kid from WS. I wonder how "impactful" that would have been?

You're assuming they'd call the travel. A lot here promote not calling travels.