The Official Forum

The Official Forum (https://forum.officiating.com/)
-   Basketball (https://forum.officiating.com/basketball/)
-   -   Video Request: Syracuse v. Indiana (https://forum.officiating.com/basketball/94569-video-request-syracuse-v-indiana.html)

JRutledge Thu Mar 28, 2013 10:25pm

Video Request: Syracuse v. Indiana
 
About 13:50 in the second half. A drive to the basket by a Cuse player and the announcers think it is a travel. Can this get clipped up for our purposes please?

Peace

just another ref Thu Mar 28, 2013 10:35pm

They're very right.

JRutledge Thu Mar 28, 2013 10:50pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by just another ref (Post 887418)
They're very right.

Why?

Peace

just another ref Thu Mar 28, 2013 10:53pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by JRutledge (Post 887420)
Why?

Peace

Because it was an obvious travel. His pivot foot was almost at the top of the key and he shot a layup.

4-40 Thu Mar 28, 2013 10:53pm

How about 3:40 of the second half? Indiana in transition before the pull-up three point shot. In my opinion, this one is much more obvious than the previous one in this thread.

JRutledge Thu Mar 28, 2013 10:56pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by just another ref (Post 887422)
Because it was an obvious travel. His pivot foot was almost at the top of the key and he shot a layup.

I beg to differ and I felt that you were going to say for some other reason. But he stepped with his pivot foot and stepped with the other foot and went up. The only reason I might suggest it was a travel is him might have dragged the pivot foot on the ground during the step with the non-pivot foot, but not for any other reason. If the foot was off the floor, that is just a basketball play. Nothing unusual, but that is why I want to see it again. I went back on the DVR and was fine with the play. When they made such a big deal out of it, I thought there had to be something else he did.

Peace

#olderthanilook Thu Mar 28, 2013 10:57pm

It was traveling because "he took three steps", said raftery, lol.

just another ref Thu Mar 28, 2013 10:59pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by #olderthanilook (Post 887426)
It was traveling because "he took three steps", said raftery, lol.

Raftery was right, if you want to describe it that way. Caught the ball, right, left, right.


TRAVEL

JRutledge Thu Mar 28, 2013 11:00pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by just another ref (Post 887428)
Raftery was right, if you want to describe it that way. Caught the ball, right, left, right.


TRAVEL

He dribbled, he did not catch the ball.

Peace

just another ref Thu Mar 28, 2013 11:01pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by JRutledge (Post 887429)
He dribbled, he did not catch the ball.

Peace

That's what happens at the end of the dribble, you catch the ball.

4-40 Thu Mar 28, 2013 11:02pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by JRutledge (Post 887429)
He dribbled, he did not catch the ball.

Peace

I agree that it would be extremely difficult in real time to determine that he possessed the ball with his right foot on the ground at the beginning of the drive.

JRutledge Thu Mar 28, 2013 11:04pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by 4-40 (Post 887431)
I agree that it would be extremely difficult in real time to determine that he possessed the ball with his right foot on the ground at the beginning of the drive.

I would love to see it again, because it did not look obvious or a travel to me when I DVR'd it in slow motion. It looked like nothing to me. Then again I was not hearing why they felt it was a travel. And I am still not understanding why JAR feels it was "obvious."

Peace

just another ref Thu Mar 28, 2013 11:06pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by JRutledge (Post 887432)
I would love to see it again, because it did not look obvious or a travel to me when I DVR'd it in slow motion. It looked like nothing to me. Then again I was not hearing why they felt it was a travel. And I am still not understanding why JAR feels it was "obvious."

Peace

Even in slow motion, you thought the left foot was the pivot?

JRutledge Thu Mar 28, 2013 11:09pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by just another ref (Post 887433)
Even in slow motion, you thought the left foot was the pivot?

I did not make a claim of which foot was the pivot foot. I simply said that when he stopped the dribble the foot I identified as the pivot foot never came back to the floor after he stepped with the other foot. Again, let us see it again and then we can debate which one was the pivot foot for sure. I am going off of memory and what I determined slowed down. I was looking for something off the charts and I did not see anything like that when I reviewed the play.

Peace

just another ref Thu Mar 28, 2013 11:14pm

He had the ball firmly in two hands with the right foot on the floor in the circle above the free throw line. The left foot landed, then the right landed again. He jumped off the right foot for the shot.

JRutledge Thu Mar 28, 2013 11:18pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by just another ref (Post 887436)
He had the ball firmly in two hands with the right foot on the floor in the circle above the free throw line. The left foot landed, then the right landed again. He jumped off the right foot for the shot.

Once again, we can debate this with evidence when the video is posted. Right now I did not look at it that many times to remember all the details. I just looked for an obvious travel and did not find one. I only looked at it a couple of times.

Peace

just another ref Thu Mar 28, 2013 11:21pm

I had actually just flipped to the channel and didn't see it live. I think what caught the attention of the guys is how much distance he covered after the last dribble. They showed the slow motion afterward which proved the point.

JetMetFan Thu Mar 28, 2013 11:22pm

Folks, I'll start getting to these when I get home from work in about 9 hours.

JRutledge Thu Mar 28, 2013 11:25pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by just another ref (Post 887440)
I had actually just flipped to the channel and didn't see it live. I think what caught the attention of the guys is how much distance he covered after the last dribble. They showed the slow motion afterward which proved the point.

Well that is one of the worst way to judge if a travel takes place.

Peace

just another ref Thu Mar 28, 2013 11:34pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by JRutledge (Post 887443)
Well that is one of the worst way to judge if a travel takes place.

Peace

Seventeen feet is a long way to go without a dribble.

just another ref Thu Mar 28, 2013 11:46pm

I looked again. I stand corrected. I had the left and right sequence backward, but everything else was the same. Still a 17 foot travel.

Raymond Fri Mar 29, 2013 07:30am

Quote:

Originally Posted by JRutledge (Post 887415)
About 13:50 in the second half. A drive to the basket by a Cuse player and the announcers think it is a travel. Can this get clipped up for our purposes please?

Peace

If it's the play where A1 gets the ball near the division line then drives by his defender down the left side of the paint, yes he travelled IMO. I looked at the replay on my DVR before going to bed. His pivot foot returned to the floor and he jumped off of it.

He also picked up his pivot foot before his dribble but I only caught that in slow motion.

Judtech Fri Mar 29, 2013 07:45am

Quote:

Originally Posted by just another ref (Post 887448)
I looked again. I stand corrected. I had the left and right sequence backward, but everything else was the same. Still a 17 foot travel.

Players are taught to take 1 or no dribbles inside the 3 point line. Usually on a fast break but not always. So now back to the travel/no travel. I was more interested in the hook that got the Cuse player around the IU player.....but I'm biased:D

just another ref Fri Mar 29, 2013 09:51am

Quote:

Originally Posted by Judtech (Post 887479)
Players are taught to take 1 or no dribbles inside the 3 point line.

This guy must have gone to that camp. His last dribble is right at the 3 point line.


All times are GMT -5. The time now is 09:50pm.



Search Engine Friendly URLs by vBSEO 3.3.0 RC1