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Raymond Thu Mar 14, 2013 09:35am

Protect the shooter?
 
Jets or APG, can you post Kobe's last second shot from the Lakers @ Hawks game last night?

I want to see if the contact occurred to Kobe's extended leg or to Kobe's torso.

thanks.

Raymond Thu Mar 14, 2013 10:10am

Here:

<iframe width="560" height="315" src="http://www.youtube.com/embed/M2kRFYW3k-M" frameborder="0" allowfullscreen></iframe>

deecee Thu Mar 14, 2013 10:20am

Love the over-dramatic title of the video. I don't think it was intentional. I do think it should have been a foul, especially since it was a fade away and he still managed to not let him land normally.

The_Rookie Thu Mar 14, 2013 10:46am

Thanks for Posting this topic..I look forward to hearing comments...

Kobe was steamed in locker room and did say the refs need to do a better job protecting the shooter...and yes Kobe believes that the defender intentionally puthis leg and foot under kobe so that kobe would land on it...Kobe also said too bad I have to wait until next year to see this guy again!

jTheUmp Thu Mar 14, 2013 03:13pm

IMHO,
Definitely should've been a foul called, but it wasn't intentional (NFHS parlance) or flagrant (NCAA/NBA parlance)... it was a basketball play, and the contact wasn't excessive.

3steps Thu Mar 14, 2013 04:08pm

Can someone please explain why there isn't a precedent set for preventing this? I have a problem with shooters who kick their feet out to create space and/or draw contact. And, I also have a problem with defenders who undercut. I know Jones walked into where Kobe's left foot was going to hit the floor. But the problem I have is this: Kobe kicks his feet out when he shoots. Normally, not that big of an issue, either offensive(very rare), defensive, or no call. But, a lot of the time when Kobe takes these fadeaways, he continues to kick his feet out so far to create space and draw contact that he is unable to land. His feet usually hit the floor at least 4' in front of his head and his body is so flat/stretched out that his bottom then hits the court and he falls and slides across the court. On this play, Kobe is definitely going to the floor. Shouldn't he be required to keeps his legs and feet somewhat under his body? If Kobe cannot land and stay on his feet, why should the defender be forced to back off when Kobe can't rightfully remain on that space on the court. And, if the rue makers want it to go the other way, can they make well known so that defenders know that they cannot contest the shot after a fadeaway is initialized so stuff like this doesn't happen again??

Adam Thu Mar 14, 2013 04:42pm

Maybe if they continue to no-call these, he'll stop risking his life every shot.

bob jenkins Fri Mar 15, 2013 07:56am

NBA has issued a statement that it should have been a foul, accoding to the local fishwrap.

APG Fri Mar 15, 2013 01:37pm

With 4.9 seconds remaining in the Atlanta Hawks' 96-92 win over the Los Angeles Lakers on March 13, the Lakers' Kobe Bryant attempted a jump shot over the Hawks' Dahntay Jones. After review at the league office, video replay confirmed that referees missed a foul call on Jones as he challenged Bryant's shot and did not give him the opportunity to land cleanly back on the floor. Bryant should have been granted two free throws.

grunewar Fri Mar 15, 2013 01:49pm

Any opinions on this?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by APG (Post 884933)
With 4.9 seconds remaining in the Atlanta Hawks' 96-92 win over the Los Angeles Lakers on March 13, the Lakers' Kobe Bryant attempted a jump shot over the Hawks' Dahntay Jones. After review at the league office, video replay confirmed that referees missed a foul call on Jones as he challenged Bryant's shot and did not give him the opportunity to land cleanly back on the floor. Bryant should have been granted two free throws.

Seems like more and more the leagues (NFL, NBA, NCAA) are reviewing film and commenting publically on what should/shouldn't be called.........

APG Fri Mar 15, 2013 02:02pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by grunewar (Post 884935)
Seems like more and more the leagues (NFL, NBA, NCAA) are reviewing film and commenting publically on what should/shouldn't be called.........

The NBA, this season, has commented five times on missed calls in late game situations this year. I see no issue with it. Calls get missed...I think it's smart to acknowledge when they do.

Camron Rust Fri Mar 15, 2013 02:43pm

And he still would have sprained his ankle even if the foul had been called.

Lotto Fri Mar 15, 2013 03:06pm

L clapping hands?
 
During this play, the L claps his hands several times loudly. Is he trying to let the C know that he's rotated? I can't figure out what else this might be.

JugglingReferee Fri Mar 15, 2013 03:26pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lotto (Post 884946)
During this play, the L claps his hands several times loudly. Is he trying to let the C know that he's rotated? I can't figure out what else this might be.

A great mechanic given that the C is looking toward the DL (and away from the L's new location) for the matchup right in front of him.

Lotto Sun Mar 17, 2013 05:02pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by JugglingReferee (Post 884948)
A great mechanic given that the C is looking toward the DL (and away from the L's new location) for the matchup right in front of him.

Have you actually heard of this as a mechanic? I'd be worried that it might have an impact on the game by, for example, causing players to turn their heads.


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