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Pointing Mechanic
Saw a mechanic over the weekend at a hs playoff game by a guy that I believe works college ( had his cca jacket on for warmups), he often pointed the other direction after a made bucket. So I have noticed the are a few NCAA guys that do this as well since then. Is this leftover from signaling a two pointer or a college mechanic?
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Guy was wearing his CCA jacket at a High School game? Wow.
Not an official mechanic in NFHS or NCAA-W. |
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I've done this on a RARE occasion, and it's more for my partners than anything else. If I rotated late, or if I think they didn't recognize my rotation (seeing that they are a very low T), I'll point after a made basket and say their name to make sure they know I'm on their side of the floor.
I know on tape it looks like I'm just pointing, but that's why I do it. No other reason to do it though... |
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And on a side note I would automatically assume a college official is (and should) be a better official that a HS one (practically speaking not always true but this should be the case). Much like how an NBA player would be better than a college player. |
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Officials used to do this on steals too. |
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The Sharks And The Jets ...
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Now, everybody wears the CCA jacket down here. What group were you in back in 2000? |
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There is no reason to wear the CCA jacket to a high school game. None...forgot your HS jacket? Then don't wear a jacket or borrow one from the JV guys.
Can't imagine any college conference supervisor being pleased about one of their officials pulling that kind of crap. |
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Let's all be honest here. The ONLY reason to wear it is big timing. And you're correct Rocky...any supervisor would probably have a fit if they found one of their assignees wearing one to a HS game. |
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You may as well just tell me you're doing the assigner a favor by working this game with me. |
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No need for it in hs / college bb...
In one of the men's NCAA bulletins, they asked us to not put our hand striaght up to indicate verticality..... Just like guys slapping hands to indicate blocked shot..... Just like guys telling defenders to get up when they flop..... Only place where they want that done is in the Big South ( ex NBA guy super. ) Heck I heard Forte has guys standing in center circle during warm ups..... |
Reminds me of the big timer who is the sole occupant on my scratch list. Tried to get on me about letting everyone know whether the TO was 30 or full. Not my fault he was too busy being impressed with himself to notice me signalling to him that very information. After being chided for making a call in my area as the C, I decided that the 2nd game working with him was no better than the first, and that there would not be a third. He leads the league in blocks I am told.
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There is no justification for wearing a collegiate jacket at a HS game. Not in the playoffs, not in the regular season, not in a scrimmage. None. Zero.
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Man Of Conviction ...
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Is the issue at hand here the jacket or the patch on the jacket (because all the jackets seem the same to me with the only difference being the patch).
Like I said earlier it's only big timing IMO if he acts like it. |
Another thing that's local. Around here I wouldn't even think of wearing my CCA jacket. It's an indicator of someone trying to big-time. So is wearing wide panels for a HS game.
(Not to mention both are specifically forbidden in HS games by the state office.) |
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Our Association told our guys to "knock it off." And, as has been mentioned, if someone brings the "wrong jacket," we would treat it just as if someone forgot it. None of us would take the court with jackets. |
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Down here, wide panels are allowed IF everyone matches. CCA jackets are allowed to be worn IF everybody has one. If you purchase a jacket, you need to purchase a CCA jacket. So, big timing doesn't become what you are wearing. However, big timing is expressed through the use of TV style mechanics. They are condoned and encouraged. |
I've been told at camps that the point is a signal to the shot clock operator that possession has changed and the shot clock should be reset.
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For example, A has posession, loose ball, B bats it / grabs it and throws it, a recovers. And, there is a signal for that already, and that's not the one they use. |
How many people at a HS basketball game are going to be able to pick out these kinds of details on a jacket? Outside the officiating crew maybe 1 other guy. Who cares what kind of jacket he or she wears for 15min? Hell I don't even care about a screwy mechanic as long as we are on the same page, and it is conveying information that is valuable. What I do care about is someone who is fit, knowledgeable, and professional. I am 100% Soldier and a NCO in the United States Army. I am all for maintaining and upholding standards (it's what I do). How about the first guy with a smitty, the first pair of beltless pants, the first pair of patent leather shoes, or the pleated pant. I bet all of these guys were big leaguers at one time too. Every mentor you see preaches looking like the guy in the back of the book...a robot. Great advice really, and then you see them work. Awesome officials, but all seem to have something they do that isn't quite mechanically sound. Have some perspective....I can't believe so much venom is being spewed over something so minor. Your hang up with the CCA jacket pointing guy has to go deeper than the acts themselves.
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Depending on the area, the same can be said for people who wear belted pants or side panel shirts. |
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Our new jackets for next year are the CCA jackets with the KHSAA Embroidered patch here in Kentucky. And our new shirts are the wide seam, with the embroidered KHSAA LOGO on the shirts as well. They were mandatory for state tourney this year and Mandatory for playoffs next year and mandatory for all games the year after. Someone is getting some big bucks for all this embroidered stuff. OUr Commish hates the grey so we will never go to it, but it sure does look a lot better than the stripes.
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On another note, there is 'that guy' around here who does a handful of D3 women's games before massive crowds in the 50's at obscure schools in the boonies. We have bets on the over/under every time he mentions "in my college games" in pregame, it usually is around 10. He also gives the perception he's 'filling in the gaps' in his schedule around his college games. |
They might not have enough money to buy 2 seperate jackets? If they are still doing HS games they must not get many college games and not have the extra money??? Jackets are expensive!
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Some officials are the cheapest people I know. It costs money to be an official. |
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Apologies To Moses ...
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This may be off topic but why do they hv the "visible count" in basketball??
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Not A Fashionista ...
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Over thirty two years I've seen officials move up the ladder with, and without belts, so I figured, why change. Many of our top officials, the ones that work the state championship games, still wear belted pants, especially the more "mature" officials. Our flexible dress guidelines allow me this choice. Officials on my local board are allowed to wear either pleated pants, or flat pants. I have both, I don't have a preference, and the next pair that I purchase will be either pleated, or flat, whatever is easily available, most comfortable, and less expensive. Our flexible dress guidelines allow me this choice. Several years ago, many officials on my local board started to use the Smitty lanyard, so I gave it a shot for a few games, but kept pulling on it, a bad habit from many, many, years of using a noose lanyard, and broke a few jersey loops, so I decided to go back, for good, to the noose lanyard, and not the one that hitches up to your neck, the old fashioned one that is "loose" all the way down to the whistle. Our flexible dress guidelines allow me this choice. Many years ago, we were forced to switch from the pea whistle, I think that it was a Acme Thunderer, to the Fox 40. I didn't like the larger size of the Fox 40 so I switched to the Mini Fox, that was similar in size to the Acme Thunderer. After several games, I had a few partners, and observers, tell me that my whistle wasn't loud enough, so I went the Fox 40, and eventually got used to it, so you can teach an old dog new tricks. I'm not a very flashy dresser, so I've tried to stay away from patent leather shoes. I'm getting to an age when I have to really start trying to take care of my feet, and everyone on my local board, as well as many on the Forum, have been raving about the Reebok Zigs, "they're light", "they're comfortable", etc. I finally relented and bought a pair of patent leather Zigs. I've only worn them once and the comfort more than balances out the flashy appearance of the patent leather, so it looks like I can live, and work, with shiny shoes. I firmly believe that an official should be appropriately dressed, but there's more to a good official than unbelted, pleated pants, Smitty lanyards, Fox 40 whistles, and shiny shoes. I also realize that flexibility in an official's uniform is not possible in many local associations, but it is in mine, and I'm lucky that I can take advantage of the flexibility in our local dress code (comfort, familiarity, availability, cost), where many of you are not so fortunate. If I were on a local board with less flexible dress guidelines, then I, like many of you, would be wearing unbelted, pleated pants, Smitty lanyards, with Fox 40 whistles, and shiny shoes. Once again, as we've heard so many times on the Forum, "When in Rome ...". And finally, there is another reason why I keep referencing my black belted pants, because some Forum members keep making fun of those officials, like me, both Forum members, and non Forum members that they've observed, that wear belted pants, so I always respond: I wear them because I like them, and I can, and if you think that it makes me a lesser official, then you're dead wrong. |
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When In Rome, Look For The White Smoke ...
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There's a lot more to a good official than unbelted, pleated pants, Smitty lanyards, Fox 40 whistles, and shiny shoes. I believe that JRutledge, and I, are on the same page on that point. And, as usual, there may be exceptions when one checks their local listings. Here in my little corner of Connecticut, there are good officials that wear unbelted, pleated, pants, Smitty lanyards, with Fox 40 whistles, and shiny shoes, and there are bad officials that wear unbelted, pleated, pants, Smitty lanyards, with Fox 40 whistles, and shiny shoes, in addition to good officials that wear belted, flat, pants, noose lanyards, with Fox 40 whistles, and flat black shoes, and bad officials that wear belted, flat, pants, noose lanyards, with Fox 40 whistles, and flat black shoes. Bottom line, I'm just sick and tired of a few Forum members, based on their own local customs, equating black belts with inferior officiating. I observed some of my local colleagues work state championship final games this weekend, with belted pants, that would probably officiate circles, with their hands tied behind their backs, around a few Forum members, including me. Of course, we mostly work two person games here in the Land That Time Forgot, but we no longer wear Byron collars. |
Our association has said in JH and below, we can wear any kind of shirt as long as they match.
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HS and NCAAM: Within 6; holding or dribbling (must be 5 consectutive seconds of one of these -- the count starts over if a player goes from one to the other); front court only. NCAAW: Within 3', holding only; anywhere on the court. |
Who You Gonna Call ???
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A ten-second count continues when the defense deflects or bats the ball in the backcourt. When a dribbler is advancing the ball into the frontcourt, the ball maintains backcourt status until both feet and the ball touch entirely in the frontcourt. The closely guarded rule is in effect in frontcourt only, when a defender is within six feet of the ball handler. Up to three separate five-second counts may occur on the same ball handler, holding, dribbling, and holding. The count continues even if defenders switch. The five-second count ends when a dribbler gets his or her head and shoulders ahead of the defender. A free throw shooter has ten seconds to shoot. A visible count is not necessary on a three second violation. |
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But if someone was wearing a Byron collar, then I guess that would be OK with you as well? And the fact that you guys still only work 2 man says a lot as well. ;) Peace |
Tea For Two ...
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The Land That Time Forgot ...
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The coaches do have total control over state tournament officials. State tournament assignments are based on coach's votes, period. The more votes you get, the deeper you advance into the state tournament. Many school athletic directors, and school principals, would be for three person games, especially if there were some type of adjustment in the payment from a two person game to a three person game. The coaches here in Connecticut have a very strong coaching organization, run by a small group of the most successful coaches. Most of these successful coaches play a very aggressive, very fast paced, defensive style of basketball and most believe, whether it's true, or not, that a change to three person games would have a negative impact on their success. The state interscholastic governing body takes the advice of the coaching organization very seriously, and thus we have very few three person games here in the Constitution State. |
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When someone has the choice of wearing something that 100% of the officials who work at the top levels wear (on TV and elsewhere) and it's actually the standard wear for the sport, I just don't understand why you'd make a different choice. I started working HS ball in 1987. No idea what I was wearing back then with my Byron collar. I know I've been wearing beltless pants since at least the early 90s, though, and maybe earlier. The only change has been the addition of pleats between then and now. I feel the same way about flat front pants today as I feel about belts -- why would an official buy flat fronts when all the top officials wear pleats and they've become the standard. |
You Can't Get There From Here ...
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But things are changing. Back when I started 32 years ago, only the college guys wore the beltless pants, and, back then, nobody wore pleated pants. Now most of the "young guns" coming up choose to wear beltless pants, although the pleats haven't followed suit, for some reason. We're a board that services high schools, and we're, for the most part, high school officials. Most of us really don't care what the NCAA guys wear on television. We watch how they officiate. We watch how they manage a game. We watch their mechanics. But we don't really care what they wear. That's our local standard. I'm 100% sure that standards vary all over the country, state to state, association to association, NFHS versus IAABO, etc. I don't make fun of other's standards, and I see no reason why others should make fun of ours. We're old fashioned, but we're comfortable in our own skin. For some reason, Connecticut was one of the last IAABO states to even consider a switch from the gray, and blue, to black, and white, jerseys. My local board was one of the last local boards in the state, IAABO, or otherwise, to make jackets mandatory. Almost all of our games are two person games. There is a reason why Connecticut is called the Land of Steady Habits. I may be a Red Sox fan, but I'm a Connecticut Yankee through and through. In the immortal words of St. Ambrose, who in 387 A.D., after Saint Augustine questioned why the Church at Milan did not fast on Saturday as did the Church at Rome: "When in Rome, do as the Romans do." |
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The Old College Try ...
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We have college officials on our local high school board who aren't even full varsity high school officials. Some of them have what we call a split schedule, working both varsity, and junior varsity, high school games. That's how good some of them are. Maybe, in your part of the woods, all of the college guys are the top dogs in the high school ranks, but that certainly isn't true around here. |
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On The Road Again ...
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I'm Late, I'm Late, For A Very Important Date ...
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One new college official, on my local high school board, received a phone call early one Saturday morning and was told to be in Orono, Maine, for an early afternoon game. For me, that was the straw that broke the camel's back that led me to decline any invitation to work low level college games. |
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Young Guns ...
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Also, some of our (low level) college guys aren't really that good, they think that they are, using their college mechanics in a high school game, but they aren't. Many spend most of the pregame talking about their college assignments, and complaining about having to fill in their schedule with high school games. Some "forget" their high school jackets, or their high school jacket is "in the wash" and wear their college jacket in a high school game. Some don't take their responsibility of observing the junior varsity officials and show up a few minutes before their varsity game, or if they're a "split" officials (varsity and subvarsity) they don't stick around after their junior varsity game to observe the varsity officials. I guess that they figure that they don't need to follow the association rules because they're only in the high school association for the short haul. I'm sure that every high school association has a few of these guys as members. |
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