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SAJ Fri Mar 08, 2013 01:18pm

Another buzzer beater?
 
Discussion of buzzer beaters today brought this back to memory from last years Nebraska D2 State Championship game. Looks to be shot after the light, but was counted. I'm not sure the officials had the same replay freezeframe the tv audience had and from the screen they appeared to looking at it was probably a tougher call.

Jump to 2:20 for the shot.

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JRutledge Fri Mar 08, 2013 01:23pm

It was late. It should not have counted. Not sure how they counted that shot honestly.

Peace

APG Fri Mar 08, 2013 01:29pm

I have to assume they didn't get the same views that we did (which I'd have to ask why if that was the case) cause that was clearly late.

JRutledge Fri Mar 08, 2013 01:31pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by APG (Post 883742)
I have to assume they didn't get the same views that we did (which I'd have to ask why if that was the case) cause that was clearly late.

They are usually dependent on the TV feed.

Peace

zm1283 Fri Mar 08, 2013 01:33pm

The official that signaled it after they went to the monitor looked like Richard Nixon with the two fingered signal. Then I think he thought the game was over because he started running off the court. I am with Rut....I don't know how you count that after watching the replay. It was pretty conclusive.

The White team's coach looks like he's going to prom too. :D

deecee Fri Mar 08, 2013 01:36pm

this wasn't even close IMO.

APG Fri Mar 08, 2013 01:37pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by JRutledge (Post 883743)
They are usually dependent on the TV feed.

Peace

Exactly...so I'm not sure what the issue is here. That's clearly and obviously a late shot and was so evidently late that I'm trying to give the benefit of the doubt to the 3 officials there and hope they didn't get the same views somehow.

APG Fri Mar 08, 2013 02:00pm

It's also possible they looked at the TV clock instead of looking at the LED lights/game clock and based their decision off of that.

johnny d Fri Mar 08, 2013 02:24pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by APG (Post 883752)
It's also possible they looked at the TV clock instead of looking at the LED lights/game clock and based their decision off of that.


This is probably what happened. These officials have probably never used replay before in their careers and are therefore in a bad spot because they are probably unfamiliar with the rules and practical application of using replay to make these types of calls. This situation reminds me of the states that use 2-man throughout the regular season and maybe the beginning of the playoffs, and then switch to 3-man and expect the officials to be experts at the system. It is really kind of ridiculous to expect officials who never use replay system to all of a sudden be thrown into a situation where they have replay available and expect them to completely understand how to use it.

deecee Fri Mar 08, 2013 02:36pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by johnny d (Post 883755)
This is probably what happened. These officials have probably never used replay before in their careers and are therefore in a bad spot because they are probably unfamiliar with the rules and practical application of using replay to make these types of calls. This situation reminds me of the states that use 2-man throughout the regular season and maybe the beginning of the playoffs, and then switch to 3-man and expect the officials to be experts at the system. It is really kind of ridiculous to expect officials who never use replay system to all of a sudden be thrown into a situation where they have replay available and expect them to completely understand how to use it.

Whether or not you don't have replay experience the rule is that the LED lights trumps the horn, unless I misread that rule.

JRutledge Fri Mar 08, 2013 03:31pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by deecee (Post 883757)
Whether or not you don't have replay experience the rule is that the LED lights trumps the horn, unless I misread that rule.

That also might be something you want to review when you are working a situation where a LED light might come into play.

Peace

SCalScoreKeeper Fri Mar 08, 2013 03:41pm

No good-not even close.

Bad Zebra Fri Mar 08, 2013 04:07pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by SCalScoreKeeper (Post 883781)
No good-not even close.

??? Not good. OK. But "Not even close"? I beg to differ. Razor thin in real time...and in slow mo replay.

SamG Fri Mar 08, 2013 04:42pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by APG (Post 883752)
It's also possible they looked at the TV clock instead of looking at the LED lights/game clock and based their decision off of that.

APG, I apologize for (almost) everything I said in the other thread. I honestly didn't know there was that much of a discrepancy between clocks in an arena.

FWIW, I know TV shoots the scoreboard so they can make sure they have the score right. I can see someone thinking "why set up the shot clock camera, the clock's on the scoreboard?" for a HS game. Not that I do a lot of games, but I will advocate for using the clock above the backboard for any games I work.

APG Fri Mar 08, 2013 05:36pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bad Zebra (Post 883794)
??? Not good. OK. But "Not even close"? I beg to differ. Razor thin in real time...and in slow mo replay.

In real time, can see why they'd have counted it (I didn't when I first saw it but that's beside the point). On replay? It wasn't even close...not even a little bit (which is what I'm assuming SCal was referring to).

Quote:

Originally Posted by SamG (Post 883804)
APG, I apologize for (almost) everything I said in the other thread. I honestly didn't know there was that much of a discrepancy between clocks in an arena.

FWIW, I know TV shoots the scoreboard so they can make sure they have the score right. I can see someone thinking "why set up the shot clock camera, the clock's on the scoreboard?" for a HS game. Not that I do a lot of games, but I will advocate for using the clock above the backboard for any games I work.

No need to apologize. :D


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