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#olderthanilook Tue Mar 19, 2013 10:56am

Let's see here - the following original "Big 8+4" teams are IN:

Colorado
Missouri
K State
Kansas
Iowa St
Okie St
OU

and these are OUT:

Texas
aTm
TCU
Baylor

:D

Too bad Nebraska couldn't find their way into the Dance to make this illustration even sweeter.

Rich Tue Mar 19, 2013 11:21am

I could do well or I could flame out miserably.

Just like every other year.

grunewar Tue Mar 19, 2013 12:05pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rich (Post 885330)
I could do well or I could flame out miserably.

Just like every other year.

My brackets usually look pretty good.....right up until game time of the first play-in game. Then it all goes to heck in a hand-basket! :)

MD Longhorn Tue Mar 19, 2013 12:14pm

In all of my brackets I have Louisville. Then I listened to half an hour of a rant no ESPN about how Louisville has the toughest road and there's no way they get there --- I am now more confident in my pick.

MD Longhorn Tue Mar 19, 2013 12:24pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by #olderthanilook (Post 885324)
Let's see here - the following original "Big 8+4" teams are IN:

Colorado
Missouri
K State
Kansas
Iowa St
Okie St
OU

and these are OUT:

Texas
aTm
TCU
Baylor

:D

Too bad Nebraska couldn't find their way into the Dance to make this illustration even sweeter.

I would reply with an in-depth analysis of the Southwest Conference... but it would go something like this:

"Nothing to report here. Move along."

grunewar Tue Mar 19, 2013 03:07pm

From USAToday.....
 
The odds of you filling out a perfect bracket this year are a staggering 1 in 9.2 quintillion. That's a nine with 18 zeroes or 9,223,372,036,854,775,808 if you're not into the whole rounding thing.

How big is that?

• That's one billion, 9.2 billion times.

• It's 500,000 times more than our $17 trillion national debt.

• You'd have a better chance of hitting four holes-in-one in a single round of golf.

The 1 in 9.2 quintillion number is straight mathematics. It figures out how many possible ways the 63 game results on your bracket could be filled out. (Two to the sixty-third power.)

MD Longhorn Tue Mar 19, 2013 03:32pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by grunewar (Post 885392)
The odds of you filling out a perfect bracket this year are a staggering 1 in 9.2 quintillion. That's a nine with 18 zeroes or 9,223,372,036,854,775,808 if you're not into the whole rounding thing.

How big is that?

• That's one billion, 9.2 billion times.

• It's 500,000 times more than our $17 trillion national debt.

• You'd have a better chance of hitting four holes-in-one in a single round of golf.

The 1 in 9.2 quintillion number is straight mathematics. It figures out how many possible ways the 63 game results on your bracket could be filled out. (Two to the sixty-third power.)

I've seen this math before, and honestly, it's quite inflated. Statistics classes in me coming back to mind...

The assumption there is that each game has exactly a 50% chance of hitting either result. But that's not true at all. Take the 1-seed vs 16-seed games as the extreme example. I suppose the chance of a 1 seed losing is not exactly zero, but it's damn close. Take as a given (near 100%) that the picker will pick 4 1-seeds to win, and 4 1-seeds do actually win, your odds of a perfect bracket become 16 times greater ... a mere 576.46 quadrillion to 1.

For each set of matchups, the odds are not 50-50, and for each of those that are not, if you also assume that the picking people mirror somewhat the actual odds (and not 50-50), the odds of the overall package improve.

(For an example of that, consider 4 games with 75% odds, say, 4 4-13 matchups:

The odds of getting these 4 correct are not 1 in 2^4 (1/16 = 6.25%) but rather 15.2587891%. 2.44 times greater than expected. Those 4 games change the overall odds to (just) 236.25 quadrillion.)

Do that for each round of matchups, and the odds of a perfect bracket are actually MUCH greater than 9 quintillion.

MD Longhorn Tue Mar 19, 2013 04:02pm

Just did the napkin math on just the first round (2nd is more complicated as I can't just assume 1 vs 8, 2 vs 7, etc - but have to go by the same percentages I calc'd for each upset in the first round).

I used the following odds:
1 vs 16 = 99.99%
2 vs 15 = 96%
3 vs 14 = 92%
4 vs 13 = 85%
5 vs 12 = 72% (I was tempted to say 50/50 given the oddities we've seen on these over the years)
6 vs 11 = 66%
7 vs 10 = 60%
8 vs 9 = 53%

You are 27,574 times more likely to get a perfect bracket than what was posted above. (I'll work on adding the other rounds, but it's more than napkin math) Or 334 trillion to 1.

grunewar Tue Mar 19, 2013 08:44pm

MD - what are the odds of Robert Morris beating Ky in round one of the NIT? ;)

Anyone see the flagrant 2 w/ 3:41 left in the game? Yikes.

26 Year Gap Tue Mar 19, 2013 08:48pm

[QUOTE=MD Longhorn;885403]I've seen this math before, and honestly, it's quite inflated. Statistics classes in me coming back to mind...

The assumption there is that each game has exactly a 50% chance of hitting either result. But that's not true at all. Take the 1-seed vs 16-seed games as the extreme example. I suppose the chance of a 1 seed losing is not exactly zero, but it's damn close. Take as a given (near 100%) that the picker will pick 4 1-seeds to win, and 4 1-seeds do actually win, your odds of a perfect bracket become 16 times greater ... a mere 576.46 quadrillion to 1.

For each set of matchups, the odds are not 50-50, and for each of those that are not, if you also assume that the picking people mirror somewhat the actual odds (and not 50-50), the odds of the overall package improve.

(For an example of that, consider 4 games with 75% odds, say, 4 4-13 matchups:

The odds of getting these 4 correct are not 1 in 2^4 (1/16 = 6.25%) but rather 15.2587891%. 2.44 times greater than expected. Those 4 games change the overall odds to (just) 236.25 quadrillion.)

Do that for each round of matchups, and the odds of a perfect bracket are actually MUCH greater than 9 quintillion.[/QUOTE]

Senator Everett Dirksen would have been proud.

#olderthanilook Wed Mar 20, 2013 08:16am

Quote:

Originally Posted by grunewar (Post 885429)
MD - what are the odds of Robert Morris beating Ky in round one of the NIT? ;)

Anyone see the flagrant 2 w/ 3:41 left in the game? Yikes.

It's being talked about around the water cooler this morning at work.

Does anyone have a video link?

Raymond Wed Mar 20, 2013 08:18am

Quote:

Originally Posted by #olderthanilook (Post 885495)
It's being talked about around the water cooler this morning at work.

Does anyone have a video link?

You haven't looked very hard. ;)

#olderthanilook Wed Mar 20, 2013 08:19am

Quote:

Originally Posted by BadNewsRef (Post 885496)
You haven't looked very hard. ;)

Touche'

I just finished watching it in the official thread. :o

JugglingReferee Wed Mar 20, 2013 09:05am

Quote:

Originally Posted by MD Longhorn (Post 885407)
Just did the napkin math

Geek!


(Which I appreciate. :))

BillyMac Wed Mar 20, 2013 05:05pm

Baby Needs A New Pair Of Zigs ...
 
I'm in. Go Cardinals.

http://ts4.mm.bing.net/th?id=H.48872...18779&pid=15.1

Who do I send my money to? Mark Padgett?

Also. How does one pronounce the capital of Kentucky? "Louis-ville", or "Louie-ville"?


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