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mick Sun Jul 20, 2003 09:27pm

G1, guarded by W1, dribbled left and went up for a lay in.
With the ball still on the hand, G5 stumbled into W1 causing W1 to contact G1 in the act of shooting (Hand still on the ball). Shot missed.

Worked a HS team camp today.
5 - total number of girl's JV games
7 - number of hours committed for the cause.
8 - $ per game, but they'll be taking out FICA
15 - number of jump balls per game
3 - number of jump/held balls in game 4 before possession was established.
5 - total years experience of three partners I had today.
1 - number of times a coach yelled.
1 - Number of new kick signals I got to practice.

Next game in September for the real deal. ;)

ChuckElias Sun Jul 20, 2003 09:34pm

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Originally posted by mick

5 - total number of girl's JV games
7 - number of hours committed for the cause.
8 - $ per game, but they'll be taking out FICA
15 - number of jump balls per game
3 - number of jump/held balls in game 4 before possession was established.
5 - total years experience of three partners I had today.
1 - number of times a coach yelled.
1 - Number of new kick signals I got to practice.

Loving what you do. . . Priceless :)

Jurassic Referee Mon Jul 21, 2003 01:30am

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Originally posted by mick
G1, guarded by W1, dribbled left and went up for a lay in.
With the ball still on the hand, G5 stumbled into W1 causing W1 to contact G1 in the act of shooting (Hand still on the ball). Shot missed.


Sooooooo,what would everyone call?

ChuckElias Mon Jul 21, 2003 08:42am

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Originally posted by Jurassic Referee
Sooooooo,what would everyone call?
Interesting that you don't have an opinion on this, JR. . . Well, G1 was definitely disadvantaged by W5. So if there is a call to be made, the foul is on W5, and there is no try. If the bump on the shooter was slight and he was still able to get the shot off, I would love to no-call this, personally. If, however, there is a lot of contact, then I would have to call the foul on W5, and cancel any shot attempt. Boy would that be ugly, tho.

SamIAm Mon Jul 21, 2003 08:50am

I see three options and like option one best, however option three could happen regardless of the call you make:

1)Call the foul on the stumbler. If he hits W1 hard enough for a foul to be called due to W1's subsequent contact with G1, call the foul on G5. Pushing foul on G5.

2)If the contact between G5 and W1 was incidental look at the same contact between W1 and G1 as incidental, and make it a no call. I personally don't like this option because it leads to option three..

3)Save your whistle for the technical foul on the G1 coach, because of the insults sent your way for not calling a foul on W1.

Dan_ref Mon Jul 21, 2003 09:47am

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Originally posted by ChuckElias
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Originally posted by Jurassic Referee
Sooooooo,what would everyone call?
Interesting that you don't have an opinion on this, JR. . . Well, G1 was definitely disadvantaged by W5. So if there is a call to be made, the foul is on W5, and there is no try. If the bump on the shooter was slight and he was still able to get the shot off, I would love to no-call this, personally. If, however, there is a lot of contact, then I would have to call the foul on W5, and cancel any shot attempt. Boy would that be ugly, tho.

W5? Wha?

G5 stumbles into W1 causing W1 to make contact with a shooting G1. Shot misses.

Blech...foul on G5 or nuthin'. Most likely nothing, unless I thought G5's action more disgraceful than ungraceful. ;)

Lotto Mon Jul 21, 2003 09:53am

This might also be a travel on G1, depending on the nature of the "stumbling" and how the ball was "still on the hand." That might be the best call if the situation allows.

Jurassic Referee Mon Jul 21, 2003 10:36am

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Originally posted by ChuckElias
[/B]
Interesting that you don't have an opinion on this, JR. [/B][/QUOTE]I have an opinion. I agree with mick's call.

ChuckElias Mon Jul 21, 2003 10:41am

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Originally posted by Dan_ref
W5? Wha?

Grrrr. Got my colors messed up. Other than that, I agree completely with Dan. No way is this a travel, however.

rainmaker Mon Jul 21, 2003 11:07am

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Originally posted by Jurassic Referee
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Originally posted by ChuckElias
Interesting that you don't have an opinion on this, JR. [/B]
I have an opinion. I agree with mick's call. [/B][/QUOTE]

Which would be...

Mark Padgett Mon Jul 21, 2003 11:37am

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Originally posted by mick
8 - $ per game, but they'll be taking out FICA

Why? Aren't you an independent contractor?

RecRef Mon Jul 21, 2003 11:49am

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Originally posted by rainmaker


What if the Hokey-Pokey IS what it's all about?!?


It is! Just ask anyone from Virginia Tech. http://www.stopstart.freeserve.co.uk...e/morewink.gif

mick Mon Jul 21, 2003 12:04pm

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Originally posted by Mark Padgett
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Originally posted by mick
8 - $ per game, but they'll be taking out FICA

Why? Aren't you an independent contractor?

Mark,
In this instance, at this university, registered officials are required to fill out job applications and another 5 or 6 pages of information, to help out at their team camps.
I believe we are part-time university employees while we're there.
Dunno.
Maybe that's why I got a call that they needed some help. :rolleyes:

A university down the road pays $12 cash.

mick

mick Mon Jul 21, 2003 12:06pm

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Originally posted by Jurassic Referee
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Originally posted by ChuckElias
Interesting that you don't have an opinion on this, JR. [/B]
I have an opinion. I agree with mick's call. [/B][/QUOTE]

There's no substitute for a great partner.

Jurassic Referee Mon Jul 21, 2003 01:54pm

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Originally posted by mick
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Originally posted by Jurassic Referee
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Originally posted by ChuckElias
Interesting that you don't have an opinion on this, JR.
I have an opinion. I agree with mick's call. [/B]
There's no substitute for a great partner. [/B][/QUOTE]My point exactly.

Lotto Mon Jul 21, 2003 02:00pm

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Originally posted by ChuckElias
No way is this a travel, however.
Ah, I misread the original poster. I thought that the stumbler was the same as the shooter. My bad.

rainmaker Mon Jul 21, 2003 02:29pm

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Originally posted by Jurassic Referee
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Originally posted by mick
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Originally posted by Jurassic Referee
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Originally posted by ChuckElias
Interesting that you don't have an opinion on this, JR.
I have an opinion. I agree with mick's call.
There's no substitute for a great partner. [/B]
My point exactly. [/B][/QUOTE]

Okay, Ill agree too, if you tell me what I'm agreeing with.

mick Mon Jul 21, 2003 02:47pm

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Originally posted by rainmaker
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Originally posted by Jurassic Referee
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Originally posted by mick
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Originally posted by Jurassic Referee
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Originally posted by ChuckElias
Interesting that you don't have an opinion on this, JR.
I have an opinion. I agree with mick's call.
There's no substitute for a great partner.
My point exactly. [/B]
Okay, Ill agree too, if you tell me what I'm agreeing with. [/B][/QUOTE]

I solicited a groan-grunt from a coach that thought he was shootin' two. :)


Jurassic Referee Mon Jul 21, 2003 03:12pm

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Originally posted by mick
I solicited a groan-grunt from a coach that thought he was shootin' two. :)

[/B][/QUOTE]I figgered that! :D:

Now.....what's the rest of the call if team B was in the bonus? Not in the bonus? Playing NFHS or NCAA rules?

PS-no need for mick to answer.He got it right.

Camron Rust Mon Jul 21, 2003 05:47pm

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Originally posted by Jurassic Referee
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Originally posted by mick
I solicited a groan-grunt from a coach that thought he was shootin' two. :)


I figgered that! :D:

Now.....what's the rest of the call if team B was in the bonus? Not in the bonus? Playing NFHS or NCAA rules?

PS-no need for mick to answer.He got it right. [/B][/QUOTE]

What's with G1 and W1, etc.???? Is that a U.P. thing? ;)

W=>B (defensive team)

B in bonus:
NFHS - B1 shoots 1+1 (or 2)
NCAA - B1 gets the ball OOB (ball in team control).

B not in bonus:
Both - B1 gets the ball OOB.

mick Mon Jul 21, 2003 06:02pm

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Originally posted by Camron Rust
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Originally posted by Jurassic Referee
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Originally posted by mick
I solicited a groan-grunt from a coach that thought he was shootin' two. :)


I figgered that! :D:

Now.....what's the rest of the call if team B was in the bonus? Not in the bonus? Playing NFHS or NCAA rules?

PS-no need for mick to answer.He got it right.

What's with G1 and W1, etc.???? Is that a U.P. thing? ;)

W=>B (defensive team)

B in bonus:
NFHS - B1 shoots 1+1 (or 2)
NCAA - B1 gets the ball OOB (ball in team control).

B not in bonus:
Both - B1 gets the ball OOB. [/B][/QUOTE]

Holy Whuh, Camron!
It was Green and White, not Amber and Blueberry.


zebra44 Mon Jul 21, 2003 07:08pm

Mick, all the red tape is why I never went back to that camp. They can do better.

mick Mon Jul 21, 2003 07:59pm

well, gees!
 
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Originally posted by zebra44
Mick, all the red tape is why I never went back to that camp. They can do better.
zebra44,

Y'only had to fill it out once, and you did that already.
Course, if they lost mine, I don't really care.

One of the neat things about filling it out was I had to get a Social Security card. I obviously knew my number, but I hadn't needed the actual card for 30-40 years. :rolleyes:

Yer prolly golfin' too much anyway.

mick

Mark Padgett Mon Jul 21, 2003 09:39pm

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Originally posted by mick
Quote:

Originally posted by Mark Padgett
Quote:

Originally posted by mick
8 - $ per game, but they'll be taking out FICA

Why? Aren't you an independent contractor?

Mark,
In this instance, at this university, registered officials are required to fill out job applications and another 5 or 6 pages of information, to help out at their team camps.
I believe we are part-time university employees while we're there.
Dunno.
Maybe that's why I got a call that they needed some help. :rolleyes:

A university down the road pays $12 cash.

mick

Does this mean you're in the state employee retirement fund program? Here in Oregon, that would mean big bucks.

mick Mon Jul 21, 2003 09:47pm

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Originally posted by Mark Padgett
Quote:

Originally posted by mick
Quote:

Originally posted by Mark Padgett
Quote:

Originally posted by mick
8 - $ per game, but they'll be taking out FICA

Why? Aren't you an independent contractor?

Mark,
In this instance, at this university, registered officials are required to fill out job applications and another 5 or 6 pages of information, to help out at their team camps.
I believe we are part-time university employees while we're there.
Dunno.
Maybe that's why I got a call that they needed some help. :rolleyes:

A university down the road pays $12 cash.

mick

Does this mean you're in the state employee retirement fund program? Here in Oregon, that would mean big bucks.

For part-time employees, I believe we may not yet be vested. :cool:

Mark Padgett Mon Jul 21, 2003 10:09pm

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Originally posted by mick
Quote:

Originally posted by Mark Padgett
Quote:

Originally posted by mick
Quote:

Originally posted by Mark Padgett
Quote:

Originally posted by mick
8 - $ per game, but they'll be taking out FICA

Why? Aren't you an independent contractor?

Mark,
In this instance, at this university, registered officials are required to fill out job applications and another 5 or 6 pages of information, to help out at their team camps.
I believe we are part-time university employees while we're there.
Dunno.
Maybe that's why I got a call that they needed some help. :rolleyes:

A university down the road pays $12 cash.

mick

Does this mean you're in the state employee retirement fund program? Here in Oregon, that would mean big bucks.

For part-time employees, I believe we may not yet be vested. :cool:

But even as part-time, you should be covered by workers' comp. You did hurt your ankle, didn't you? http://www.deephousepage.com/smilies/mwink.gif

mick Mon Jul 21, 2003 10:22pm

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Originally posted by Mark Padgett


But even as part-time, you should be covered by workers' comp. You did hurt your ankle, didn't you? http://www.deephousepage.com/smilies/mwink.gif

What's funny is that I was hit on the instep with a baseball by an errant pitch the day before and I wondered if I'd be able to work those JV games the next day.

The foot felt good all of hoop day, but it had maitained a strange color of rosey-maroon.
No brain ... no pain. ;)
mick

Mark Padgett Mon Jul 21, 2003 11:13pm

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Originally posted by mick


rosey-maroon.


I knew her in high school. http://www.deephousepage.com/smilies/augen40.gif


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