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rekent Mon Feb 18, 2013 12:04pm
WRECK League Technical Question
 
Yes, I know the aversion most of you have towards rec. games, but I have a question.

Intramural game last night, player goes up for a shot and thinks he gets hit. No foul was called and he proceeded to go back on defense, spinning his way down the court as he ran, holding his arm up in the air slapping it to show he felt he was fouled. When his team got the ball back, he continued slapping his arm demonstratively and looking at the official who did not make the call the first time. Next dead ball I told him to cut out the theatrics.

Now he is on the bench, (he is also the team captain/coach) pass/crash called against his team and he shoots of the bench stomping his feet and barking, calling official who is table-side lets it go and the player walks up and down the sideline next to the official barking in his ear.

Third event, still on the bench, ball goes out of bounds off his team. He jumps up pointing in his team's direction and when official points the other way, the player slaps his hands together loudly, stomps, and does a little spin near the bench while he says "Oh my gosh, wow!" At this point, I whack him.

Here is the question: Do you feel it was justified? I am the most experienced on the crew of 3, and my partners (as well as the supervisor) were amazed that I got him. Personally I couldn't believe the official let the reaction and riding go on the pass/crash call.

mplagrow Mon Feb 18, 2013 12:07pm
Yes. I doubt he'd have gotten that far with me. I'd rather keep the peace and keep my sanity by giving him a 'that's enough' early on in his acting routine, and letting him earn the T with the very next comment.

rekent Mon Feb 18, 2013 12:09pm
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Originally Posted by mplagrow (Post 880201)
Yes. I doubt he'd have gotten that far with me. I'd rather keep the peace and keep my sanity by giving him a 'that's enough' early on in his acting routine, and letting him earn the T with the very next comment.
That's what I did after the up and down court slapping his arm. I was opposite side of the court on the pass/crash so I wasn't sure if the calling official thought he kicked it so he was giving the guy a little more rope, but the third one was more than I was planning on putting up with regardless.

JugglingReferee Mon Feb 18, 2013 12:28pm
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Originally Posted by rekent (Post 880198)
Yes, I know the aversion most of you have towards rec. games, but I have a question.

Intramural game last night, player goes up for a shot and thinks he gets hit. No foul was called and he proceeded to go back on defense, spinning his way down the court as he ran, holding his arm up in the air slapping it to show he felt he was fouled. When his team got the ball back, he continued slapping his arm demonstratively and looking at the official who did not make the call the first time. Next dead ball I told him to cut out the theatrics.

Now he is on the bench, (he is also the team captain/coach) pass/crash called against his team and he shoots of the bench stomping his feet and barking, calling official who is table-side lets it go and the player walks up and down the sideline next to the official barking in his ear.

Third event, still on the bench, ball goes out of bounds off his team. He jumps up pointing in his team's direction and when official points the other way, the player slaps his hands together loudly, stomps, and does a little spin near the bench while he says "Oh my gosh, wow!" At this point, I whack him.

Here is the question: Do you feel it was justified? I am the most experienced on the crew of 3, and my partners (as well as the supervisor) were amazed that I got him. Personally I couldn't believe the official let the reaction and riding go on the pass/crash call.
It's wreck league. If for some reason I didn't tag him here, I'd warn him to play ball, and I'd definitely tag him here.

If the third event still happened, he gets an early shower.

just another ref Mon Feb 18, 2013 12:31pm
There is no standard for rec leagues. Depending on where it is, who is involved, and the age of the participants, the acceptable conduct level may vary wildly, anything from equal to a normal high school varsity game to one with adult participants where players and officials exchange profanity. You just have to find out what is expected at your local league and if you are comfortable with it, do it.

rekent Mon Feb 18, 2013 12:32pm
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Originally Posted by JugglingReferee (Post 880205)
It's wreck league. If for some reason I didn't tag him here, I'd warn him to play ball, and I'd definitely tag him here.

If the third event still happened, he gets an early shower.
I was seriously tempted on the arm slap and little pirouettes down the floor. It was early in the first though so I just told him to cut it out first chance I got. The other I was hoping would be a learning opportunity for the calling official close to him to develop his boundaries and get past the nervousness of whacking someone. Also didn't want to hurt partners' credibility.

The third time I was fed up with him regardless of my position on the floor or who he was directing it at.

rekent Mon Feb 18, 2013 12:36pm
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Originally Posted by just another ref (Post 880207)
There is no standard for rec leagues. Depending on where it is, who is involved, and the age of the participants, the acceptable conduct level may vary wildly, anything from equal to a normal high school varsity game to one with adult participants where players and officials exchange profanity.
D-1 college intramural, zero tolerance policy for profanity, and sportsmanship strongly encouraged. Close to a high school setting is the hope, with a few modifications forced.

In a scholastic game, I get the guy with the arm slap all the way down the floor.

Quote:
Originally Posted by just another ref (Post 880207)
You just have to find out what is expected at your local league and if you are comfortable with it, do it.
The overall boss would whack him I'm sure and be fine with my call, I just couldn't believe my partners and the supervisor on duty (less experience than me) were so surprised that I didn't let it go and took exception to those 3 acts.

mplagrow Mon Feb 18, 2013 12:39pm
Honestly, I believe you are overthinking it. The 'T' is a tool to manage the game and your sanity. Use it when either are slipping away and move on.

stripes2255 Mon Feb 18, 2013 12:39pm
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Originally Posted by rekent (Post 880198)
Here is the question: Do you feel it was justified? I am the most experienced on the crew of 3, and my partners (as well as the supervisor) were amazed that I got him. Personally I couldn't believe the official let the reaction and riding go on the pass/crash call.
Justified? Absolutely

Sounds like your supervisor doesn't know what unsporting behavior is.

I would agree that behavior shouldn't have gone past the pass/crash call and I believe some would have stuck him with his first on court antics.

Adam Mon Feb 18, 2013 12:44pm
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Originally Posted by JugglingReferee (Post 880205)
It's wreck league. If for some reason I didn't tag him here, I'd warn him to play ball, and I'd definitely tag him here.

If the third event still happened, he gets an early shower.
Agreed. If he just does it on defense, I'll talk to him at the first chance, but if he still wants to act like a ballerina after his team has the ball, we're shooting.

scrounge Mon Feb 18, 2013 01:08pm
A player jumps off the bench, paces the sideline while barking in an officials' ear? And they're amazed at YOU for giving him a T later? What would it take for them to give a T, a punch?

rekent Mon Feb 18, 2013 01:34pm
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Originally Posted by scrounge (Post 880224)
A player jumps off the bench, paces the sideline while barking in an officials' ear? And they're amazed at YOU for giving him a T later? What would it take for them to give a T, a punch?
My thoughts exactly... Just don't understand it.

#olderthanilook Mon Feb 18, 2013 01:50pm
You waited far too long to whack Mr. Barishnakov.

Adam Mon Feb 18, 2013 01:51pm
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Originally Posted by rekent (Post 880213)
In a scholastic game, I get the guy with the arm slap all the way down the floor.
For the record, I wouldn't approach these games with more tolerance than you have in a scholastic game. I don't need the grief, to be honest, and if the league wants sportsmanship to be emphasized, then they'll support your T.

rekent Mon Feb 18, 2013 01:57pm
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Originally Posted by Adam (Post 880233)
For the record, I wouldn't approach these games with more tolerance than you have in a scholastic game. I don't need the grief, to be honest, and if the league wants sportsmanship to be emphasized, then they'll support your T.
My idea was that in a scholastic game there is near zero tolerance for bench personnel negative reactions in response to calls. Here, the player who got whacked was the captain or de facto coach which is what got him as much rope as he had. But then at the same time, the team leader should set the example, and that certainly wasn't a good one.

Adam Mon Feb 18, 2013 02:00pm
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Originally Posted by rekent (Post 880236)
My idea was that in a scholastic game there is near zero tolerance for bench personnel negative reactions in response to calls. Here, the player who got whacked was the captain or de facto coach which is what got him as much rope as he had. But then at the same time, the team leader should set the example, and that certainly wasn't a good one.
Fair enough. My thinking is, first of all, he's a player. Players don't get to pull the ballerina act and show me up all the way up and down the court.

Second, even if he's on the bench acting as the coach, I'm not letting a scholastic coach act like you describe either. The foot stomp may have gotten a T from me, but when he continued to bark at the calling official, he earned himself the T (and if you're using high school rules, I'd enforce the seatbelt on Mr. Playercoach).

WhistlesAndStripes Mon Feb 18, 2013 02:25pm
And people wonder why we don't want to work these games for the peanuts that they offer. A$$hats like this are the reason. The less I'm getting paid, the lower my tolerance level is.

rekent Mon Feb 18, 2013 02:33pm
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Originally Posted by Whistles & Stripes (Post 880243)
And people wonder why we don't want to work these games for the peanuts that they offer. A$$hats like this are the reason. The less I'm getting paid, the lower my tolerance level is.
For various reasons I actually enjoy these games most of the time and believe that, to this point, they have been beneficial (at least to me).

Adam Mon Feb 18, 2013 02:35pm
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Originally Posted by rekent (Post 880245)
For various reasons I actually enjoy these games most of the time and believe that, to this point, they have been beneficial (at least to me).
Then keep working them as long as you feel they're beneficial (in any way) enough to balance out the detriment. I would encourage you to continue to call technical fouls on behavior like your OP.

1. Your stress level will decrease during these games.
2. You do not need to learn how to tolerate this behavior for scholastic games.
3. Your reputation will develop and players will know they can't get away with that BS.

WhistlesAndStripes Mon Feb 18, 2013 02:38pm
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Originally Posted by rekent (Post 880245)
For various reasons I actually enjoy these games most of the time and believe that, to this point, they have been beneficial (at least to me).
I actually started working Rec league games again this year after taking several years off from it. I have a low tolerance for idiots though.

Example: 3 minutes left in the game. Team A has the ball and a 15 point lead. A1 shoots a 3 point attempt, returns to the floor with his hands still in the follow through position, and there is some slight contact on his hands from the defender. I have nothing on the play. Play turns to me and yells, "ARE YOU KIDDING ME?!?!" WHACK!! I learned then that players get fined $10 bucks for a T, and have to sit out the rest of the half in which the T occurs. If it is in the first half, they can play in the second half as long as they pay the fine to the table. They also are limited to 5 Ts per season before they get thrown out of the league.

Adam Mon Feb 18, 2013 02:40pm
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Originally Posted by Whistles & Stripes (Post 880247)
I actually started working Rec league games again this year after taking several years off from it. I have a low tolerance for idiots though.

Example: 3 minutes left in the game. Team A has the ball and a 15 point lead. A1 shoots a 3 point attempt, returns to the floor with his hands still in the follow through position, and there is some slight contact on his hands from the defender. I have nothing on the play. Play turns to me and yells, "ARE YOU KIDDING ME?!?!" WHACK!! I learned then that players get fined $10 bucks for a T, and have to sit out the rest of the half in which the T occurs. If it is in the first half, they can play in the second half as long as they pay the fine to the table. They also are limited to 5 Ts per season before they get thrown out of the league.
Good, but I think it's best when the officials don't know about the extra ramifications of the T. Too many officials take that information and consider it when deciding to whack or not to whack.

JetMetFan Mon Feb 18, 2013 02:46pm
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Originally Posted by rekent (Post 880198)
player goes up for a shot and thinks he gets hit. No foul was called and he proceeded to go back on defense, spinning his way down the court as he ran, holding his arm up in the air slapping it to show he felt he was fouled.
Well, I stopped reading the OP after this point so you know where I stand on the subject. :rolleyes:

I haven't done a rec game in a while but I know when I did I had way less tolerance for nonsense like this than I did for antics in H.S. or NCAAW games. Heck, I rang a H.S. coach up for the arm-slapping stuff (sans pirouettes) 5 minutes into a game this season so I know a rec league guy would have gotten one for it. The main question is: do you want to deal with this nonsense all night? If you don't, you ring up the troublemakers early - for legit reasons, of course - and your night becaomes pretty quiet. If your supervisor won't support your Ts then you should probably find another league. Why deal with the headache?

I'm part of a group in NYC that officiates all kinds of rec ball from little kids to adults. During our meetings guys/girls would always complain about the behavior of coaches & players. Our assignor would say the same thing: "I don't know why you all put up with half the s*** they do to you. You have the tools, use 'em." It didn't click when I was in my younger years but when it finally did the games because less stressful and I started getting better games. Believe me, you don't T the whole building because that doesn't work, either. You just take care of things when people are obviously and openly disrespectful.

mplagrow Mon Feb 18, 2013 03:48pm
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Originally Posted by JetMetFan (Post 880252)
It didn't click when I was in my younger years but when it finally did the games because less stressful and I started getting better games. Believe me, you don't T the whole building because that doesn't work, either. You just take care of things when people are obviously and openly disrespectful.
It pains me terribly to say this based on your username (I'm a diehard Dolphins fan) but I find this to be profoundly true. In my younger days I always backed off from giving the T. Now I recognize it as a way to keep control and keep my own cool when the coach is trying to push buttons. Make the call, move on. Most of the time, he/she won't go for the second.

junruh07 Mon Feb 18, 2013 06:23pm
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Originally Posted by rekent (Post 880213)
D-1 college intramural, zero tolerance policy for profanity, and sportsmanship strongly encouraged. Close to a high school setting is the hope, with a few modifications forced.

In a scholastic game, I get the guy with the arm slap all the way down the floor.



The overall boss would whack him I'm sure and be fine with my call, I just couldn't believe my partners and the supervisor on duty (less experience than me) were so surprised that I didn't let it go and took exception to those 3 acts.
I got my start in a similar intramural situation, and I really enjoyed it, and I miss it. It is much more organized than most rec leagues. I called several T's during my time there because my partners didn't, but only when, like in your situation, I gave my partners an opportunity to take care of business and that player was way over the line. Also, in my situation, my supervisors would have been pissed if we wouldn't have gotten the T, and certainly not surprised if we did pick it up.

26 Year Gap Mon Feb 18, 2013 07:45pm
Remember that Indiana Jones scene where the guy starts with all of the fancy swordplay? Indy got out his gun and shot him nonchalantly. That would be a good metaphor. Only your T is the gun that stops the theatrics. Just don't be like that guy that was trail in those videos that were posted recently when you make the call.

BillyMac Mon Feb 18, 2013 08:36pm
Snakes, Why Did It Have To Be Snakes ???
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by 26 Year Gap (Post 880292)
Remember that Indiana Jones scene where the guy starts with all of the fancy swordplay? Indy got out his gun and shot him nonchalantly.
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Sharpshooternes Mon Feb 18, 2013 08:39pm
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Originally Posted by Adam (Post 880250)
Good, but I think it's best when the officials don't know about the extra ramifications of the T. Too many officials take that information and consider it when deciding to whack or not to whack.
+1000. The penalty is for taking care of the current business. We don't/shouldn't care about the future ramifications of our actions related to penalizing by rule someone else's actions. Had my first flagrant personal foul DQ a few weeks ago where the two bigs were fighting in the paint to get position on a rebound. One started to lose his balance and he grabbed the other guy by the neck and pretty much pile drove him into the floor and landed on his head. My partner thought we should have just gone with an intentional because now the kid had to sit out the next game (this was JV and he was a starter for the V game the same evening.) I am glad I didn't take into account the "sit the next game" penalty as I still feel like the flagrant was warranted.

JugglingReferee Mon Feb 18, 2013 09:46pm
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Originally Posted by 26 Year Gap (Post 880292)
Remember that Indiana Jones scene where the guy starts with all of the fancy swordplay? Indy got out his gun and shot him nonchalantly.
Word is that that scene was improvised by Ford and the director liked it, so he kept it.

mplagrow Mon Feb 18, 2013 11:26pm
Food poisoning
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by JugglingReferee (Post 880304)
Word is that that scene was improvised by Ford and the director liked it, so he kept it.
Correct. They all had food poisoning (except Speilberg, who traveled with his own private stock of Spaghettio's) and Ford was NOT up to filming the elaborate fight scene they planned. So he shot him. The crew actually wrapped up filming early on that location by like a week because they just wanted to get the heck out.

BillyMac Tue Feb 19, 2013 07:28am
Let's Go To The Video Tape ...
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by JugglingReferee (Post 880304)
Word is that that scene was improvised by Ford and the director liked it, so he kept it.
Quote:
Originally Posted by mplagrow (Post 880312)
Correct. They all had food poisoning (except Speilberg, who traveled with his own private stock of Spaghettio's) and Ford was NOT up to filming the elaborate fight scene they planned. So he shot him. The crew actually wrapped up filming early on that location by like a week because they just wanted to get the heck out.
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chapmaja Tue Feb 19, 2013 11:13am
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Originally Posted by rekent (Post 880198)
Yes, I know the aversion most of you have towards rec. games, but I have a question.

Intramural game last night, player goes up for a shot and thinks he gets hit. No foul was called and he proceeded to go back on defense, spinning his way down the court as he ran, holding his arm up in the air slapping it to show he felt he was fouled. When his team got the ball back, he continued slapping his arm demonstratively and looking at the official who did not make the call the first time. Next dead ball I told him to cut out the theatrics.

I think the warning in the at this time is fair. He was informed these antics would not be acceptable. I would have made sure to let my partner(s) known I had warned him as well.


Now he is on the bench, (he is also the team captain/coach) pass/crash called against his team and he shoots of the bench stomping his feet and barking, calling official who is table-side lets it go and the player walks up and down the sideline next to the official barking in his ear.

This should have been a technical at this time. He had been warned already. Captain or not, there is a correct way, and an incorrect way to approach and official if you question a call as captain. He choose the wrong way. He needed to be T'ed up at this point.

Third event, still on the bench, ball goes out of bounds off his team. He jumps up pointing in his team's direction and when official points the other way, the player slaps his hands together loudly, stomps, and does a little spin near the bench while he says "Oh my gosh, wow!" At this point, I whack him.

It never should have gotten this far in my opinion. He was warned once, then should have earned a T the second time he got mouthy. The third one, I likely would not have T'ed him for. He showed disagreement with the call yes, but he did not use profane language.

Here is the question: Do you feel it was justified? I am the most experienced on the crew of 3, and my partners (as well as the supervisor) were amazed that I got him. Personally I couldn't believe the official let the reaction and riding go on the pass/crash call.
I have worked a lot of Rec League games, and generally I call Tech's the same way I would in a HS game. The lone difference is with language. I generally won't give a T for language the in a Rec game unless it is so blatant or is directed at me, a partner, or an opponent. I will warn teams. I usually will warn a player first for language before giving a technical foul in a Rec game. I likely won't in a school game unless it is muttered where only a few people can hear.

BTW: I worked 7 years of college IM games and now work an adult Rec League. I have never been shy about calling a Tech or tossing a player out.

letemplay Tue Feb 19, 2013 12:00pm
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Originally Posted by Sharpshooternes (Post 880294)
+1000. The penalty is for taking care of the current business. We don't/shouldn't care about the future ramifications of our actions related to penalizing by rule someone else's actions. Had my first flagrant personal foul DQ a few weeks ago where the two bigs were fighting in the paint to get position on a rebound. One started to lose his balance and he grabbed the other guy by the neck and pretty much pile drove him into the floor and landed on his head. My partner thought we should have just gone with an intentional because now the kid had to sit out the next game (this was JV and he was a starter for the V game the same evening.) I am glad I didn't take into account the "sit the next game" penalty as I still feel like the flagrant was warranted.
A Varsity starter playing in the preceding JV game?? Seems strange...not done around here. Perhaps good coaching on the JV's part for instigating??

maven Tue Feb 19, 2013 12:22pm
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Originally Posted by mplagrow (Post 880312)
Correct. They all had food poisoning (except Speilberg, who traveled with his own private stock of Spaghettio's) and Ford was NOT up to filming the elaborate fight scene they planned. So he shot him. The crew actually wrapped up filming early on that location by like a week because they just wanted to get the heck out.
The story as I heard it: Ford did not feel like filming the fight scene (perhaps for the reason you mention) and noticed that his costume included a sidearm. He asked Spielberg, "Why the **** do I have to fight this **** when I could just shoot him?"

Spielberg did not have a ready answer and told him to try it. Everyone liked it, and it stood up in the final cut.

JetMetFan Tue Feb 19, 2013 12:43pm
Quote:
Intramural game last night, player goes up for a shot and thinks he gets hit. No foul was called and he proceeded to go back on defense, spinning his way down the court as he ran, holding his arm up in the air slapping it to show he felt he was fouled. When his team got the ball back, he continued slapping his arm demonstratively and looking at the official who did not make the call the first time. Next dead ball I told him to cut out the theatrics.

I think the warning in the at this time is fair. He was informed these antics would not be acceptable. I would have made sure to let my partner(s) known I had warned him as well.
I have to disagree with the comment in red. As the assignor I mentioned in the previous post would say, if he doesn't get a T now anything this guy does after this point is our fault because we didn't stop him the first time he acted up. If he gets a T for this and for some reason doesn't understand what it was for, then he truly needed to get it.

Let's think of it this way: if an NBA player making thousands to millions of dollars would get a T for this without a thought, why the heck should we let some guy in a rec league game get away with it?

Adam Tue Feb 19, 2013 12:59pm
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Originally Posted by JetMetFan (Post 880416)
I have to disagree with the comment in red. As the assignor I mentioned in the previous post would say, if he doesn't get a T now anything this guy does after this point is our fault because we didn't stop him the first time he acted up. If he gets a T for this and for some reason doesn't understand what it was for, then he truly needed to get it.

Let's think of it this way: if an NBA player making thousands to millions of dollars would get a T for this without a thought, why the heck should we let some guy in a rec league game get away with it?
Yep, showing me up to everyone in the gym is an easy T. I'll usually give them a quick demo, but if they continue rather than play basketball, I'm skipping the warning.

APG Tue Feb 19, 2013 01:04pm
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Originally Posted by JetMetFan (Post 880416)
Let's think of it this way: if an NBA player making thousands to millions of dollars would get a T for this without a thought, why the heck should we let some guy in a rec league game get away with it?
Exactly...for one, depending on how demonstrative a player was, he would get whacked in the NBA for the hand slapping bit...but if he decided to do this after the initial play, and then do so after his team got the ball, he'd still be violating the NBA's respect for the game guidelines and would almost certainly get whacked for continuously arguing about the play.

MD Longhorn Tue Feb 19, 2013 01:06pm
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Originally Posted by rekent (Post 880236)
My idea was that in a scholastic game there is near zero tolerance for bench personnel negative reactions in response to calls.
True.

And there should be even less tolerance (Less Than Zero?) in a Wreck game.

JetMetFan Tue Feb 19, 2013 02:19pm
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Originally Posted by APG (Post 880423)
Exactly...for one, depending on how demonstrative a player was, he would get whacked in the NBA for the hand slapping bit...but if he decided to do this after the initial play, and then do so after his team got the ball, he'd still be violating the NBA's respect for the game guidelines and would almost certainly get whacked for continuously arguing about the play.
As I continue my rant :)...

The other problem with not calling a T for the arm-slapping, pirouette thing is you've now backed yourself into a corner for that game. If someone else does it you really can't T them up, either. Is that really what you want?

rekent Tue Feb 19, 2013 03:21pm
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Originally Posted by JetMetFan (Post 880433)
As I continue my rant :)...

The other problem with not calling a T for the arm-slapping, pirouette thing is you've now backed yourself into a corner for that game. If someone else does it you really can't T them up, either. Is that really what you want?
I was the farthest official from either of the first two acts and didn't want to pull my partner's credibility out from under them (and I also believed they were experienced enough to shut this guy down). By the third I didn't care where it was...

JetMetFan Tue Feb 19, 2013 04:32pm
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Originally Posted by rekent (Post 880440)
I was the farthest official from either of the first two acts and didn't want to pull my partner's credibility out from under them (and I also believed they were experienced enough to shut this guy down). By the third I didn't care where it was...
Understood and we've all been there but sometimes we have to save each other - and, effectively, the entire crew - from ourselves with a call no matter where we are. I'd be upset with the other guys because they put all of you in a lousy spot for that game.

Sharpshooternes Thu Feb 21, 2013 12:26am
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Originally Posted by letemplay (Post 880393)
A Varsity starter playing in the preceding JV game?? Seems strange...not done around here. Perhaps good coaching on the JV's part for instigating??
Yeah, many of the small schools only add 2-4 players per level. Ie: Sophomore roster has 8 players, those 8 also dress JV with 3 more juniors, and all of them dress varsity with he addition of 2-3 more seniors.

There was no instigation by the other team, at least in my opinion. I have no reason to believe that that was happening in this game nor have I seen it in other games. However, never really thought about that before. This could be something that could happen to get someone out of a varsity game. i will watch for this more in the future.


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