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Adam Fri Feb 15, 2013 11:04am

Buzzer beater, wrong way
 
Today's ESPN Not Top Ten, number six.

Clock winding down, defense gets rebound and shoots at the wrong basket. Horn goes just before the ball hits the rim. Official is on national tv counting the basket

I'd like to think they thought it through and waved it off.

Raymond Fri Feb 15, 2013 11:07am

It happened a few years ago in a Virginia Tech game (defense accidentally tipped ball into basket--tip before buzzer, ball enters after buzzer) and Teddy Valentine erroneously counted the basket.

The NCAA sent out a memo afterwards.

deecee Fri Feb 15, 2013 11:08am

Quote:

Originally Posted by Adam (Post 879652)
Today's ESPN Not Top Ten, number six.

Clock winding down, defense gets rebound and shoots at the wrong basket. Horn goes just before the ball hits the rim. Official is on national tv counting the basket

I'd like to think they thought it through and waved it off.

Oh but this happened couple years ago in my old association in SoCal. A "Top Rated" official did the same thing in a televised game. Him and his partner didn't know the definition of a shot. And by top official I mean state tourney top.

rekent Fri Feb 15, 2013 11:09am

Just to be clear since I have never had this actually happen:

Ball is dead at buzzer because it was not released on a try by definition, correct?

Raymond Fri Feb 15, 2013 11:09am

Quote:

Originally Posted by deecee (Post 879657)
Oh but this happened couple years ago in my old association in SoCal. A "Top Rated" official did the same thing in a televised game. Him and his partner didn't know the definition of a shot. And by top official I mean state tourney top.

It being SoCall and all, quite sure they are now working for Violet Palmer or Ed Rush.

deecee Fri Feb 15, 2013 11:09am

Quote:

Originally Posted by BadNewsRef (Post 879656)
It happened a few years ago in a Virginia Tech game (defense accidentally tipped ball into basket--tip before buzzer, ball enters after buzzer) and Teddy Valentine erroneously counted the basket.

The NCAA sent out a memo afterwards.

How close was the ball going through the basket and buzzer sounding? At the time did they have replay capabilities?

deecee Fri Feb 15, 2013 11:10am

Quote:

Originally Posted by rekent (Post 879658)
Just to be clear since I have never had this actually happen:

Ball is dead at buzzer because it was not released on a try by definition, correct?

Yes. What is a definition of a shot? & When does the ball become dead? Know these 2 and you know the solution.

rekent Fri Feb 15, 2013 11:11am

Quote:

Originally Posted by deecee (Post 879661)
Yes. What is a definition of a shot? & When does the ball become dead? Know these 2 and you know the solution.

Was pretty sure I did, just have never really thought about this one.

Raymond Fri Feb 15, 2013 11:12am

Quote:

Originally Posted by deecee (Post 879660)
How close was the ball going through the basket and buzzer sounding? At the time did they have replay capabilities?

I forget all the particulars but the ball was definitely tipped before time expired and definitely entered the basket after time expired. Teddy and crew got the call wrong. I may still have memo b/c at the time a very good friend of my was working in the CAA which has the same supervisor as the ACC.

deecee Fri Feb 15, 2013 11:17am

Quote:

Originally Posted by BadNewsRef (Post 879663)
I forget all the particulars but the ball was definitely tipped before time expired and definitely entered the basket after time expired. Teddy and crew got the call wrong. I may still have memo b/c at the time a very good friend of my was working in the CAA which has the same supervisor as the ACC.

This I just don't get. These are not obscure rules which I can understand messing up. I can also understand a new official (less than 3-4 years) getting this wrong too. But IMO stuff like this is pretty inexcusable.

Raymond Fri Feb 15, 2013 11:21am

Can't find memo, but here is the game: TechSideline.Com | 2005-06 Basketball Recap: Hokies Drop Close Game to Bowling Green, 72-71

I remember seeing video back when it happened and there was no doubt the basket should not have counted and the memo acknowledged as much. I'm quite sure we even discussed it here the forums.

letemplay Fri Feb 15, 2013 11:36am

Taking me back
 
After reading the game account, I had forgotten there were more timing issues than the last shot...kindofaclustr:eek:

Tio Fri Feb 15, 2013 11:51am

You cannot have a try at the wrong basket. So the ball immediately becomes dead at the horn.

scrounge Fri Feb 15, 2013 11:58am

Would this be any different under Fed rules?

Adam Fri Feb 15, 2013 12:12pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by scrounge (Post 879679)
Would this be any different under Fed rules?

No.


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