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Old Thu Feb 14, 2013, 09:07am
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I'm curious, what do you all verbalize when you report the 'Illegal Use of Hands' chop foul signal to the table? I've heard various things on this one; "hands", "on the arm", "reach"...
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Old Thu Feb 14, 2013, 09:16am
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Old Thu Feb 14, 2013, 09:58am
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I'm curious, what do you all verbalize when you report the 'Illegal Use of Hands' chop foul signal to the table? I've heard various things on this one; "hands", "on the arm", "reach"...
2 of the 3 you listed are things I say.

That 3rd one.
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Old Thu Feb 14, 2013, 11:08am
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"Hit" or nothing. Also say "in the head" with that signal if the hit was to the head in a HS game. And I don't consider it a "chop" signal, because my hitting hand and the hand of the arm being "hit" are both closed into fists, fwiw.
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Old Thu Feb 14, 2013, 11:56am
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I used to say "hit" but usually say nothing now and just verbalize the proper signal after reporting color, number.
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Old Thu Feb 14, 2013, 01:30pm
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NOTHING.

Why are you saying anything that you do not have to. The mechanics manual does not state anything about speaking the nature of the foul. Just the approved signals.

Speaking just opens yourself up for more trouble. COLOR, NUMBER, SIGNAL.
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Why are you saying anything that you do not have to. The mechanics manual does not state anything about speaking the nature of the foul. Just the approved signals.

Speaking just opens yourself up for more trouble. COLOR, NUMBER, SIGNAL.
True, the majority of the time, but it can serve to help sell and/or explain the call sometimes - especially in states that do not want HS officials using supplementary signals that aren't currently in the manual.
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Old Thu Feb 14, 2013, 01:48pm
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NOTHING.

Why are you saying anything that you do not have to. The mechanics manual does not state anything about speaking the nature of the foul. Just the approved signals.

Speaking just opens yourself up for more trouble. COLOR, NUMBER, SIGNAL.
How much trouble can you really get just by saying "arm", "push", "handcheck", etc?
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Why are you saying anything that you do not have to. The mechanics manual does not state anything about speaking the nature of the foul. Just the approved signals.

Speaking just opens yourself up for more trouble. COLOR, NUMBER, SIGNAL.
What trouble or you opening yourself up to? If anything, I've stopped a coach from potentially arguing a call by verbalizing what happened on the play.
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What trouble or you opening yourself up to? If anything, I've stopped a coach from potentially arguing a call by verbalizing what happened on the play.
Maybe it's one of those old wives tales of officiating...I was always told the same thing - the less you say, the less trouble you will get into. Never have figured that out as it applies to this, but I still only verbalize when it's something that needs some kind of clarification - like an illegal screen, or a hit to the head or something like that.
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NOTHING.

Why are you saying anything that you do not have to. The mechanics manual does not state anything about speaking the nature of the foul. Just the approved signals.

Speaking just opens yourself up for more trouble. COLOR, NUMBER, SIGNAL.
How does it open you up to more trouble? It eliminates my troubles b/c after I verbalize I don't have to spend any time explaining to the coach what happened. I just told him when I reported the foul.
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I'm not saying I'll never do it. Just not routinely.
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