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jeschmit Sun Feb 10, 2013 12:32am
Pet Peeve: Sticky Mats
 
So this is a pet peeve of mine. When working NCAA games we have been instructed to move the sticky mats away from the "X" at the division line to abide rule 1-17:

Quote:
Art. 6.

Logos: The playing court must be completely finished in a manner that is similar throughout, including the three-foot area outside each sideline and six-foot area outside each end line. It is the responsibility of the host game management to ensure the court is of a consistent finish, including any logos or decals that are legally allowed on the floor.
I have watched three games on the NCAAM side in the past week (Xavier, UCLA and now Notre Dame), and all three games had the sticky mats sitting right on the "X" at the division line. If any of you have seen the video on the NCAA Central Hub, I can assure you that the rule is in place for not only the players' protection, but ours as well.

My question is: Why do these guys not move these mats!? Like I said earlier, if you've seen the video on the Central Hub, you would want them moved for your safety!

/end rant

JRutledge Sun Feb 10, 2013 12:37am
I guess the question I have for you is, who is "we?"

I have never heard anyone make that kind of proclamation that these things must be moved or else. As a matter of fact I cannot think of anything being specifically mentioned.

Peace

jeschmit Sun Feb 10, 2013 12:42am
"We" is officials in general... Yes, in the rule home management is responsible for ensuring the 3-foot boundary on the sideline is of consistent finish. However, if they don't apply the rule, the officials have to adhere to the rule (i.e. moving the mats).

Have you not seen the video JRut? Its ugly...

just another ref Sun Feb 10, 2013 12:43am
I haven't seen the video. What is the danger?

JRutledge Sun Feb 10, 2013 12:48am
Quote:
Originally Posted by jeschmit (Post 878154)
"We" is officials in general... Yes, in the rule home management is responsible for ensuring the 3-foot boundary on the sideline is of consistent finish. However, if they don't apply the rule, the officials have to adhere to the rule (i.e. moving the mats).

Have you not seen the video JRut? Its ugly...
Which video?

Peace

jeschmit Sun Feb 10, 2013 12:49am
<iframe width="560" height="315" src="http://www.youtube.com/embed/6z_edC3aaJc" frameborder="0" allowfullscreen></iframe>

This one...

JetMetFan Sun Feb 10, 2013 12:57am
Sticky subject...
 
Here's what we received in NCAAW. I'm guessing NCAAM received the same thing?

Quote:
11/7/12 Courtside Traction Mats (Rule 1-17 new)
The only 2012-13 rule change states, “The playing court must be completely finished in a manner that is similar throughout, including the three-foot area outside each sideline and six-foot area outside each end line. It is the responsibility of the host game management to ensure the court is of a consistent finish, including any logos or decals that are legally allowed on the floor.”

Comment: This rule is clear that the three-foot area outside each sideline and the six-foot area outside each endline must be a surface that is completely finished in a manner that is similar throughout as is the playing court. These areas were included in this rule to provide players and officials with a similar surface as the finish on the playing court because of the traffic in these areas. Locating traction mats (used to clean shoes), carpet runners or any other object within this area changes the surface of the floor significantly and therefore, violates this rule. While these items are permitted, they cannot be located in these areas. Per clinic instructions, officials are to request that game management ensure that the playing court and the designated surrounding areas comply with the new rule. This may require that game management relocate the traction matts to be outside of the three-foot area outside the sideline. We are not suggesting where to relocate these or other items, but we are specific that the objects cannot be located within these areas.

jeschmit Sun Feb 10, 2013 01:17am
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Originally Posted by JetMetFan (Post 878160)
Here's what we received in NCAAW. I'm guessing NCAAM received the same thing?
Why wouldn't they? The video involves the NCAAM official getting hurt...

Larks Sun Feb 10, 2013 01:33am
Quote:
Originally Posted by JRutledge (Post 878152)
I guess the question I have for you is, who is "we?"

I have never heard anyone make that kind of proclamation that these things must be moved or else. As a matter of fact I cannot think of anything being specifically mentioned.

Peace
Really...another thing we are now in charge of? Are they matching in color too?

bob jenkins Sun Feb 10, 2013 08:27am
I move one at my (non D-1) game yesterday. The R has moved one a couple of times at games I worked in the past couple of weeks.

Raymond Sun Feb 10, 2013 12:21pm
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Originally Posted by jeschmit (Post 878162)
Why wouldn't they? The video involves the NCAAM official getting hurt...
I have never seen that video before. Was that posted on the Men's hub because by the voice on the video that's a NCAA-W's video.

JRutledge Sun Feb 10, 2013 12:24pm
Quote:
Originally Posted by BadNewsRef (Post 878221)
I have never seen that video before. Was that posted on the Men's hub because by the voice on the video that's a NCAA-W's video.
I hadn't either, that is why I was curious. I thought maybe I did not see something. But I have heard no mention of this issue. It has not been a problem in any game either.

Peace

jeschmit Sun Feb 10, 2013 12:35pm
Quote:
Originally Posted by BadNewsRef (Post 878221)
I have never seen that video before. Was that posted on the Men's hub because by the voice on the video that's a NCAA-W's video.
That's interesting... The voice in the video is Debbie Williamson, and it is on the NCAAW Hub.

I think its just another reason why they need to split the rule books up. Its obviously not getting followed the same way on the two sides...

Quote:
Originally Posted by JRutledge (Post 878223)
I hadn't either, that is why I was curious. I thought maybe I did not see something. But I have heard no mention of this issue. It has not been a problem in any game either.

Peace
Its not a problem at any of my games either because I have it moved before the game begins...

JRutledge Sun Feb 10, 2013 12:38pm
Quote:
Originally Posted by jeschmit (Post 878227)
That's interesting... The voice in the video is Debbie Williamson, and it is on the NCAAW Hub.

I think its just another reason why they need to split the rule books up. Its obviously not getting followed the same way on the two sides...



Its not a problem at any of my games either because I have it moved before the game begins...
I have not had to remove them because they were not there.

Peace

26 Year Gap Sun Feb 10, 2013 12:41pm
I haven't seen them other than at AAU tournaments. They are really quite useless anyway, because the dust will stick to the sneaker and traction will not be improved for very long. Just another way to suck money out of people for a product that is not needed. (See arm sleeves).

Rich Sun Feb 10, 2013 01:03pm
Quote:
Originally Posted by 26 Year Gap (Post 878233)
I haven't seen them other than at AAU tournaments. They are really quite useless anyway, because the dust will stick to the sneaker and traction will not be improved for very long. Just another way to suck money out of people for a product that is not needed. (See arm sleeves).
Personally, I think these things are great. I use one whenever they are available. That said, a damp towel serves the same purpose.

I move them if they're in front of the table. Never thought I needed a rule to do that.

just another ref Sun Feb 10, 2013 01:34pm
I like them, too. I never realized that they would slip like that, thought they had more grip on the bottom. Never saw one placed where I considered having it moved.

Do we need a rule to move the cheerleaders pom poms?

JRutledge Sun Feb 10, 2013 01:39pm
Quote:
Originally Posted by just another ref (Post 878243)
I like them, too. I never realized that they would slip like that, thought they has more grip on the bottom. Never saw one placed where I considered having it moved.

Do we need a rule to move the cheerleaders pom poms?
We need a rule to move cheerleaders completely from the game. ;)

Peace

Bad Zebra Sun Feb 10, 2013 01:47pm
Quote:
Originally Posted by JRutledge (Post 878244)
We need a rule to move cheerleaders completely from the game. ;)

Peace
That's kinda harsh...maybe up into the stands and take away the stupid megaphone things.

Raymond Sun Feb 10, 2013 01:52pm
Quote:
Originally Posted by just another ref (Post 878243)
I like them, too. I never realized that they would slip like that, thought they has more grip on the bottom. Never saw one placed where I considered having it moved.
...
Me neither. They are always between the scorer's table and the end of the bench. Never seen one at the X before. Guess now I would just move it if it does occur.

icallfouls Sun Feb 10, 2013 04:06pm
Regardless of rule set we are supposed to be aware of potentially hazardous situations at all levels.

I happen to know the official in the video. He was out for nearly 6 weeks. He is an NCAA tournament official and it was too bad that it happened. Sticky mats, wet towels, etc are all things that we have seen at our games. Just because we view them as a normal part of the game does not mean they are not hazardous.

It can affect officials and players alike.

The message is take a closer look at the surroundings of the court and do your best to minimize the likelihood of the potential hazard.


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