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LeeBallanfant Wed Jan 30, 2013 11:49pm

Receiving Free Throw Toss while not entirely within semi circle.
 
NCAA Rules
Player attempting free throw receives ball from official while standing on line at top of semi circle.

Violation or ignore

johnny d Thu Jan 31, 2013 12:01am

i wouldnt bounce the ball to the shooter until he is completely in the semi-circle, dont know why anyone would. if one of my partners does, i am ignoring this violation. i dont think making this call is going to further your career.

APG Thu Jan 31, 2013 12:01am

By rule? Violation...

But if I throw the ball ball to the player while he's not entirely in, I ain't gonna call that.

HawkeyeCubP Thu Jan 31, 2013 12:50am

Doesn't standing on but not over the line at the top of the semicircle denote still being in the semicircle?

BillyMac Thu Jan 31, 2013 07:23am

The Plot Thickens ...
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by HawkeyeCubP (Post 876031)
Doesn't standing on, but not over, the line at the top of the semicircle denote still being in the semicircle?

Does standing on, but not over, the line at the top of the semicircle denote still being outside the semicircle?

Raymond Thu Jan 31, 2013 08:35am

I've called it one time. Girls AAU in which the best player on the team that was losing was a complete headache the entire game. Always doing things to push the envelope.

It was 2-man and I was the trail on the free throw. Partner was waiting to bounce here the ball but she refused to step all the way in the circle. So Lead finally bounces her the ball and as soon as she caught it I hit my whistle and called the violation.

Raymond Thu Jan 31, 2013 08:36am

Quote:

Originally Posted by BillyMac (Post 876045)
Does standing on, but not over, the line at the top of the semicircle denote still being outside the semicircle?

So instead of answering the question or providing a reference you just re-ask it with a word changed? :rolleyes:

bob jenkins Thu Jan 31, 2013 08:48am

Quote:

Originally Posted by BadNewsRef (Post 876052)
I've called it one time. Girls AAU in which the best player on the team that was losing was a complete headache the entire game. Always doing things to push the envelope.

It was 2-man and I was the trail on the free throw. Partner was waiting to bounce here the ball but she refused to step all the way in the circle. So Lead finally bounces her the ball and as soon as she caught it I hit my whistle and called the violation.

You could (by rule, should) have had a T first.

Sharpshooternes Thu Jan 31, 2013 01:02pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by bob jenkins (Post 876061)
You could (by rule, should) have had a T first.

I had a weird one last week where the FT shooter ran to the coach on the far end of the court (first half) while everyone else was lining up and my P was reporting. We were ready to shoot but she was still talking with the coach maybe 3 or 4 seconds and then she sprinted to the circle and away we went. It took me about that long to figure out what was going on. I think a talking to would be sufficient in this instance. In this instance resumption of play would not be appropriate because it did not follow a timeout.

tjones1 Thu Jan 31, 2013 01:07pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by johnny d (Post 876025)
i wouldnt bounce the ball to the shooter until he is completely in the semi-circle, dont know why anyone would. if one of my partners does, i am ignoring this violation. i dont think making this call is going to further your career.

I wouldn't ignore the violation. You can’t be supported by film if you do this. Either kill it immediately and re-administer or call the violation.

I would wait until he’s in the semi-circle / direct in him so I can admin the free throw.

JRutledge Thu Jan 31, 2013 01:08pm

I have had to on two different occasions players not getting into the circle properly. I just do not get why this is hard to do?

Peace

BillyMac Thu Jan 31, 2013 05:26pm

Is The Semicircle Booby Trapped With Land Mines ???
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by HawkeyeCubP (Post 876031)
Doesn't standing on but not over the line at the top of the semicircle denote still being in the semicircle?

Quote:

Originally Posted by BillyMac (Post 876045)
Does standing on, but not over, the line at the top of the semicircle denote still being outside the semicircle?

Quote:

Originally Posted by BadNewsRef (Post 876054)
So instead of answering the question or providing a reference you just re-ask it with a word changed?

The intent of my post was to spark discussion, and, or course, I failed miserably.

If it's a violation for a player behind the arc, during a free throw, to touch the arc, then is it legal for a free throw shooter to touch the semicircle? Or is it illegal for both to touch it, like some type of demilitarized zone?

HawkeyeCubP Thu Jan 31, 2013 06:07pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by BillyMac (Post 876224)
The intent of my post was to spark discussion, and, or course, I failed miserably.

If it's a violation for a player behind the arc, during a free throw, to touch the arc, then is it legal for a free throw shooter to touch the semicircle? Or is it illegal for both to touch it, like some type of demilitarized zone?

Pretty sure it's the first option.

bob jenkins Thu Jan 31, 2013 07:12pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by BillyMac (Post 876224)
The intent of my post was to spark discussion, and, or course, I failed miserably.

If it's a violation for a player behind the arc, during a free throw, to touch the arc, then is it legal for a free throw shooter to touch the semicircle? Or is it illegal for both to touch it, like some type of demilitarized zone?

The diagram near the front of the book might give you a clue. Or, you could consider the gyms where the semi-circle is all one solid color with no "line" around it.

BillyMac Thu Jan 31, 2013 08:53pm

You Can Look, But You Can't Touch ...
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by bob jenkins (Post 876235)
Consider the gyms where the semi-circle is all one solid color with no "line" around it.

Good example. So the semicircle "line" really is like some type of demilitarized zone. It's illegal for the player behind the arc to touch it, and it's also illegal for the free throw shooter to touch it. Am I correct in this interpretation?


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