Receiving Free Throw Toss while not entirely within semi circle.
 

NCAA Rules
Player attempting free throw receives ball from official while standing on line at top of semi circle.

Violation or ignore

i wouldnt bounce the ball to the shooter until he is completely in the semi-circle, dont know why anyone would. if one of my partners does, i am ignoring this violation. i dont think making this call is going to further your career.

By rule? Violation...

But if I throw the ball ball to the player while he's not entirely in, I ain't gonna call that.

Doesn't standing on but not over the line at the top of the semicircle denote still being in the semicircle?

The Plot Thickens ...
 

Does standing on, but not over, the line at the top of the semicircle denote still being outside the semicircle?

I've called it one time. Girls AAU in which the best player on the team that was losing was a complete headache the entire game. Always doing things to push the envelope.

It was 2-man and I was the trail on the free throw. Partner was waiting to bounce here the ball but she refused to step all the way in the circle. So Lead finally bounces her the ball and as soon as she caught it I hit my whistle and called the violation.

So instead of answering the question or providing a reference you just re-ask it with a word changed? :rolleyes:

You could (by rule, should) have had a T first.

I had a weird one last week where the FT shooter ran to the coach on the far end of the court (first half) while everyone else was lining up and my P was reporting. We were ready to shoot but she was still talking with the coach maybe 3 or 4 seconds and then she sprinted to the circle and away we went. It took me about that long to figure out what was going on. I think a talking to would be sufficient in this instance. In this instance resumption of play would not be appropriate because it did not follow a timeout.

I wouldn't ignore the violation. You can’t be supported by film if you do this. Either kill it immediately and re-administer or call the violation.

I would wait until he’s in the semi-circle / direct in him so I can admin the free throw.

I have had to on two different occasions players not getting into the circle properly. I just do not get why this is hard to do?

Peace

Is The Semicircle Booby Trapped With Land Mines ???
 

The intent of my post was to spark discussion, and, or course, I failed miserably.

If it's a violation for a player behind the arc, during a free throw, to touch the arc, then is it legal for a free throw shooter to touch the semicircle? Or is it illegal for both to touch it, like some type of demilitarized zone?

Pretty sure it's the first option.

The diagram near the front of the book might give you a clue. Or, you could consider the gyms where the semi-circle is all one solid color with no "line" around it.

You Can Look, But You Can't Touch ...
 

Good example. So the semicircle "line" really is like some type of demilitarized zone. It's illegal for the player behind the arc to touch it, and it's also illegal for the free throw shooter to touch it. Am I correct in this interpretation?

No.

Like all marking on the court, only ONE edge of the marking is relevant. The rest of the painted line/arc is just part of the court on that side of the relevant edge. The actual boundaries on the court indicated by the various markings are infinitely thin but painted with a thick stripe for visibility. No matter how thickly it is painted, the relevant boundary is always just one of its edges (with one exception that has two edges but only one at a time).

• The FT lane lines are in the lane
• The FT line is in the lane
• The 3 point line is in the 2-point area
• The division line is in the backcourt (from the perspective of the team with the ball as that is the only backccourt that matters)
• The center circle is in the jump circle
• The OOB lines are OOB.

In the case of the semi-cirlce, it is the outer edge just like every other line marking anything to to with the FT lane. The arc that marks the semicircle is in the semicircle. If the shooter is touching inside the semicircle and not touching outside of the semicircle, the shooter is in the semicircle (ignoring the vertical plane elements of the various lane boundary rules).

All of these points are made more clear when you recognize that the thickness of all of the markings of except the division line have "minimum" thicknesses but can legally be made much thicker and can even be solidly filled as in the case of the lane, semi-circle, jump circle, or 2-point area.

You can also look at the definition of the semi-circle....it has a 6' radius, not 5'10" with a 2" stripe that is no-mans land.

And so my point was that the OP, as stated, is not a violation.

I don't bounce the ball to the shooter until he/she is in the semi-circle.

But I once had a player step backwards and out of the semi-circle. Tweet.

Was watching a college game tonight, the Ft shooter hit the first then backed out of the circle for a few seconds then came back in and the L bounced him the ball after waiting patiently.

A Most Excellent Post ...
 

Camron Rust: Thanks for putting the time and effort into your post. It's legal for the shooter to have the back of his heel on the semicircle line. In terms of intellectual curiosity, this has been a fun thread, and I'm pleased that you brought some closure to it. All along I thought that edges were the real boundaries, so I was having trouble understanding how the entire thickness of the semicircle could be relevant. Thanks.

I would have thought Hawkeye's post would have sparked the same discussion. ;)

I didn't answer the question b/c honestly I don't know.

edit: Now thanks to Camron I do know.