Scorer's Table
 

Is it a technical foul if a player approaches the score table during the game to see how many fouls they have?

Theoretically, yes, but never seen it called.

This applies to a lot of things.

I don't think I would ever give a kid T for this.

Better question is how are we (officials) going to know that is the reason for a player going to the table? For all we know they could be going for a possible substitution and then the coach retracts the opportunity.

Peace

Player ???
 

Player, substitute, or bench personnel?

Inquiring Minds Want to Know ???
 

This thread brings up a few questions in my mind. During the game, other than the head coach approaching the table to question some type of correctable error, bookkeeping error, possession arrow error, etc. who, other than a substitute, may approach the table? Head coach for the errors mentioned here, but who else can approach, and under what conditions? Can a head coach approach the table to inquire about team fouls, or personnel fouls? If not, who can? Assistant coach?

By rule, 10.5.1A. But, you'll need to earn your $87 (or whatever) paycheck by interpeting "etc."

Please Set The Table ...
 

10.5.1 SITUATION A: The coach of Team A leaves the bench area and goes to
the table to seek information other than a correctable error: (a) during a time-out;
or (b) during the intermission between the first and second quarters. RULING: A
technical foul is charged directly to the coach in both (a) and (b) resulting in the
loss of coaching-box privileges. If this information is required, it must be secured
by a manager or statistician, etc., when the clock is stopped and the ball is dead.
A coach is not permitted at the table for this purpose. To allow exceptions would
open the door for exploitation and would result in situations which could not be
enforced consistently.

10.5.1 SITUATION B: The coach of Team B rises and accompanies B6 to the
table to make sure the substitute reports properly. RULING: This is a technical
foul charged directly to the coach resulting in the loss of coaching-box privileges.
The coach is not allowed to be off the bench or out of the optional coaching box
for this purpose.

We had a HC last week go to the table in the third quarter to inquire about the team foul count for the entire game from the scorekeeper. This ended up earning him a technical after he announced it to my partner, who was the Trail, after the first of two free throws on the other end of the court. He ended up getting his second technical from me after the next free throw and early trip to the showers after he refused to comply with the seatbelt rule, told us we were terrible, and dismissively waved me off. That was a first for me.

Anybody have a problem with teams that set up the bench well beyond the coach's box so that it is right up against the table? Had this last night. Coach was standing up out of the box, leaning on the table. Opposing coach was complaining. Had a had an excellent game up until that point actually the funnest and best I have had all year. No complaining, good flow etc. There was only 2 minutes left in the game. I tried to be be diplomatic and asked him to help us out and get back in the box just before we were shooting FTs. I was going to give him until the end of the FTs before I T'd him up. As soon as the second FT was shot, I turned and looked and he was sitting on the "bench" which was the front row of the bleachers, right next to the scorers table. Thoughts?

I thought this wasn't a problem in HS games? ;)

I've been known to move the first couple of chairs (on each side) to the far end so the bench begins at the 28' line.

Sometimes, if they're sitting on bleachers and expecially if the table isn't exactly centered or there's a stairway, etc, you have to adjust how strictly you'll enforce the rule (and about sitting in the box to start the game).

if it gets too bad, write a report to the state / governing body.

Like I said, wasn't too worried about it in this case because it was bleachers and not chairs, but when the coach was standing up and leaning on the table and opposing coach was complaining, then it became a problem.

Are team personnel required to remain seated on the bench where you officiate? if so, that pretty much answers your question.

It makes no difference. If he's going to use the coaching box, then his seat on the bench MUST be within the coaching box. He cannot sit beside the table and roam back and forth between his seat and the box.

10.5.1 SITUATION C:

Who's Etc. ???
 

Are "a manager or statistician, etc." team personnel?

The case play Bob previously listed, prior to my reply, specifically addresses your question.

Team Personnel ???
 

NFHS 4-34: Bench personnel are all individuals who are part of or affiliated with a team, including, but not limited to: substitutes, coaches, manager(s) and statistician(s).

NFHS 10-4: The head coach is responsible for his/her own conduct and behavior, as well as substitutes, disqualified team members and all other bench personnel. Bench
personnel, including the head coach, shall not: Stand at the team bench while the clock is running or is stopped, and must remain seated, except: c. During a charged time-out, as in 5-11, or the intermission between quarters and extra periods.

It appears that we don't allow coaches, both head coaches, and assistant coaches, to approach the table to inquire about team fouls, or personal fouls. The case play states that a manager or a statistician may approach, but the rule states that they must remain seated except during a timeout, or intermission.

While the game is in progress, while the clock is running, who may approach the table to inquire about team fouls, or personal fouls?

Nobody? I think that's the answer?

Someone posted this earlier.

Are team personnel required to remain seated on the bench where you officiate? If so, that pretty much answers your question.

Just Doesn't Seem Right, But It Is ...
 

Thus:

Word Of The Day ...
 

I'm sure that you meant to say bench personnel. I can only find one reference to team personnel in the NFHS rulebook on the NCAA/NFHS differences chart. Here in Connecticut, some statisticians (rebounds, assists, etc.) sit in the bleachers, not on the bench.

As team personnel, but not bench personnel, maybe they can approach the table regarding fouls during a running clock, live ball?

Since when is it our concern who the people in the stands are?

You're muddying the waters. This discussion is about bench personnel, can't we just stay on task?

No, I meant exactly what I wrote. I don't care if the manager sits on the bench or one row behind, which is why I wrote team personnel. If you want to play semantics, feel free to but as BNR asked, can't you just stay on task?

Father Of Modern Chicago Blues ...
 

Would you guys please make up your minds so that I can stay on task and not be distracted by rule, or nonrule, language.

Billy, the point is the only team personnel we care about are the ones on the bench. No one else matters to me.

Loud And Clear ...
 

Got it.