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VaTerp Sun Jan 20, 2013 12:10am

Joey C is Out of Control
 
Watching the Clippers/Wizards game just now and I think this is what I just saw:

After a questionable call against the Wizards for an offensive elbow Crawford Td up the Wizards coach.

Crawford was doing his thing while the L administered the technical, which Chris Paul missed and apparently so did Crawford. He walks toward Paul at the free throw line and makes circles with both index fingers saying "let's go." Everybody is looking at him like WTF then Crawford yells at the L, "give me the Gawd Damn ball" and makes them reshoot the technical, which Paul makes.

Don't know what my point is other than being a ranting loser on an officiating forum at midnight. Crawford is obviously a great official but some of his antics really do strike me as out of control. His partner who administered the technical FT seemed visibly, and rightfully, pissed.

jeremy341a Tue Jan 22, 2013 10:33am

Maybe he thought if I give a tech, they are getting the point no matter how long this takes. Seriously though he does like being a little over the top.

Rich Tue Jan 22, 2013 10:52am

Just saw Joey (with hair) working Game 7 of the 94 Finals (Houston/New York). Top of the game for a very long time -- say what you want about Joey, you can't take that away from him.

APG Tue Jan 22, 2013 11:41am

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Originally Posted by Rich (Post 873563)
Just saw Joey (with hair) working Game 7 of the 94 Finals (Houston/New York). Top of the game for a very long time -- say what you want about Joey, you can't take that away from him.

Last game 7 of the NBA Finals, in 2010, he was the crew chief with Dan Crawford and Scott Foster being the referees...it's safe to say, if there's a game 7 in the NBA Finals, he WILL be the crew chief for that game.

JugglingReferee Tue Jan 22, 2013 11:52am

I hope Joe C is around until Dick's age.

Jay R Tue Jan 22, 2013 02:09pm

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Originally Posted by APG (Post 873573)
Last game 7 of the NBA Finals, in 2010, he was the crew chief with Dan Crawford and Scott Foster being the referees...it's safe to say, if there's a game 7 in the NBA Finals, he WILL be the crew chief for that game.

I can't remember where I saw this but apparently over the last twenty years, the NBA Finals have gone the distance four times. Joe Crawford has refereed Game 7 each time. Case closed.

canuckrefguy Tue Jan 22, 2013 06:19pm

Guy's done more Finals games than any other active official, and not just because of longevity.

AremRed Tue Jan 22, 2013 08:09pm

Are you gentlemen familiar with this article?

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/05/06/sp...a-referee.html

JugglingReferee Tue Jan 22, 2013 08:18pm

Yes, I've read the article before.

APG Tue Jan 22, 2013 08:30pm

Yes, it's been posted here before.

AremRed Tue Jan 22, 2013 10:19pm

It amazes me that he broke his finger while giving a tech. Amazing.

One would think that his anger problem (I think he mentions getting therapy) would be a detriment to his success in the league. I understand the NBA works differently, but getting angry during a game is something that should hurt a refs advancement, no?

JugglingReferee Tue Jan 22, 2013 10:26pm

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Originally Posted by seanwestref (Post 873731)
It amazes me that he broke his finger while giving a tech. Amazing.

One would think that his anger problem (I think he mentions getting therapy) would be a detriment to his success in the league. I understand the NBA works differently, but getting angry during a game is something that should hurt a refs advancement, no?

I think much of it stems from the era that Joey started in.

IUgrad92 Wed Jan 23, 2013 02:32pm

I totally get the nostalgia thing, but good grief. It's very interesting that no one wants to comment on the OP, but would rather just remember the good ol' days with old Joey.

Here's the clip described in the OP. Crawford has surely had his days of glory, but he has turned into the proverbial 'crazy Uncle Joe'.....

Joey Crawford going off!! - YouTube

MD Longhorn Wed Jan 23, 2013 02:39pm

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Originally Posted by IUgrad92 (Post 873866)
I totally get the nostalgia thing, but good grief. It's very interesting that no one wants to comment on the OP, but would rather just remember the good ol' days with old Joey.

Here's the clip described in the OP. Crawford has surely had his days of glory, but he has turned into the proverbial 'crazy Uncle Joe'.....

Joey Crawford going off!! - YouTube

Clip doesn't show the shot being taken while JC is fluttering around... anyone have a video that shows that?

VaTerp Wed Jan 23, 2013 02:53pm

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Originally Posted by IUgrad92 (Post 873866)
I totally get the nostalgia thing, but good grief. It's very interesting that no one wants to comment on the OP, but would rather just remember the good ol' days with old Joey.

Here's the clip described in the OP. Crawford has surely had his days of glory, but he has turned into the proverbial 'crazy Uncle Joe'.....

Joey Crawford going off!! - YouTube

The overall sentiment is this thread seems to be that Crawford has earned the right to do whatever the hell he wants to do, and to do so without criticism. Maybe he has.

I just think that it's a little out of control that he essentially made them redo a FT after a missed shot for a technical, yelled loudly at his partner to give him the G-Damn ball, and then readministered the FT himself from the C position.

I have a ton of respect for the guy. He has accomplished things that I can only dream of and I'm not suggesting there be any sort of action taken against him. I'm just opining that he was certainly over the top and out of control in this situation.


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Originally Posted by MD Longhorn (Post 873871)
Clip doesn't show the shot being taken while JC is fluttering around... anyone have a video that shows that?

I'm interested in seeing the whole thing again as well to make sure that what I think transpired is actually what happened.

But I was watching live and know for a fact that Paul shot and missed the first shot for the T. And since the NBA only awards one shot for a T then Crawford either issued a second T that most in the gym did not pick up on (possible) or he just did his own thing and made them re-shoot.

Notice that even Chris Paul is looking at him like, "are you sure I get another shot here? Is it ok for me to shoot now, Joey?"

APG Wed Jan 23, 2013 02:53pm

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Originally Posted by IUgrad92 (Post 873866)
I totally get the nostalgia thing, but good grief. It's very interesting that no one wants to comment on the OP, but would rather just remember the good ol' days with old Joey.

Here's the clip described in the OP. Crawford has surely had his days of glory, but he has turned into the proverbial 'crazy Uncle Joe'.....

Joey Crawford going off!! - YouTube

No nostalgia here...the guy is still on top of his game. Another year, and another NBA Finals appearance.

As to the clip, without knowing what he was taking care of, I can't comment on whether or not they should have waved off the initial free throw. He did end up issuing a delay-of-game warning.

The only thing I can comment on is he didn't have to administer the free throw...he could have left that to his partner.

MD Longhorn Wed Jan 23, 2013 03:00pm

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Originally Posted by VaTerp (Post 873883)
I'm interested in seeing the whole thing again as well to make sure that what I think transpired is actually what happened.

But I was watching live and know for a fact that Paul shot and missed the first shot for the T. And since the NBA only awards one shot for a T then Crawford either issued a second T that most in the gym did not pick up on (possible) or he just did his own thing and made them re-shoot.

Notice that even Chris Paul is looking at him like, "are you sure I get another shot here? Is it ok for me to shoot now, Joey?"

What I'm wondering is whether the supposed missed free throw actually happened before JC was done reporting what had happened. IOW - if his partner jumped the gun on allowing the free throw to be shot too early. Even more so, I wonder if things would have been different if he made the first one.

VaTerp Wed Jan 23, 2013 03:11pm

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Originally Posted by MD Longhorn (Post 873891)
What I'm wondering is whether the supposed missed free throw actually happened before JC was done reporting what had happened. IOW - if his partner jumped the gun on allowing the free throw to be shot too early. Even more so, I wonder if things would have been different if he made the first one.

Good question.

Watching live it seemed as if JC had clearly reported the T to the table before the FT was administered. JC then seemed to be explaining something to the Wizards coach and doing what I can best describe as "his thing."

I'm not sure if JC even saw the missed FT or thought it occurred too early or what happened. It seemed to me that he never even saw the first FT and that's why he did the motion with his fingers/hand like, "let's go."

At the end of the day I guess it doesnt matter as the powers that be have apparently given JC free reign to do what he wants. Just thought it was interesting. And I would be a little pissed if one of my partners yelled at me to give them the G-Damn ball, gave me a stop sign, and administered a FT from the C. But I'd get over it pretty quickly if it was Joey C.


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