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yooperbballref Tue Jan 15, 2013 11:08pm

Missing Scorebook
 
I am a first year official and was working a JV game with a very experienced partner. The first half went well and we came out to start the second half. The ball was about to be inbounded to start the second half when we were notified that the official book was not at the table. Apparently the home AD took the book on accident thinking it was the freshman book and he wanted to make a copy of it.

We waited for about two minutes and with the book still missing we gave the home team a T.

We knew that it was illegal for the official book to leave the table during the game so we assumed we were doing the correct thing. What we learned after the game looking in the rule book is that even though it is illegal for the book to leave the table, there is no penalty for doing so.

Were we still correct in giving the T as it was a delay of game?

BktBallRef Tue Jan 15, 2013 11:11pm

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Originally Posted by yooperbballref (Post 872391)
I am a first year official and was working a JV game with a very experienced partner. The first half went well and we came out to start the second half. The ball was about to be inbounded to start the second half when we were notified that the official book was not at the table. Apparently the home AD took the book on accident thinking it was the freshman book and he wanted to make a copy of it.

We waited for about two minutes and with the book still missing we gave the home team a T.

We knew that it was illegal for the official book to leave the table during the game so we assumed we were doing the correct thing. What we learned after the game looking in the rule book is that even though it is illegal for the book to leave the table, there is no penalty for doing so.

Actually, that's not true. If you believe the book was removed as part of an unsporting act, you can assess a T.

In this situation, assuming there was a visitor's book, I would make the visiting book the official book and play basketball.

JugglingReferee Wed Jan 16, 2013 08:47am

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Originally Posted by BktBallRef (Post 872392)
Actually, that's not true. If you believe the book was removed as part of an unsporting act, you can assess a T.

In this situation, assuming there was a visitor's book, I would make the visiting book the official book and play basketball.

Perfect solution!

Stat-Man Wed Jan 16, 2013 05:27pm

It's everywhere! It's everywhere!
 
About 5 years ago, i was at a game at a now-closed school where the scorer took the book into the locker room at half time. I ended up being made the official book for the second half.

Four years later, we had an away game there and the exact same thing happened.

The day after that, I was at another site where the home scorer took the book into the locker room. When I told an official, he told me to mind my own business. :eek:

yooperbballref Wed Jan 16, 2013 11:19pm

That is the example that the case book gives is the book going into the locker room at halftime. Says it is illegal but there is no penalty...

That brings me to another question, why have a rule if there is no penalty if broken?

BktBallRef Wed Jan 16, 2013 11:34pm

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Originally Posted by yooperbballref (Post 872575)
That is the example that the case book gives is the book going into the locker room at halftime. Says it is illegal but there is no penalty...

That brings me to another question, why have a rule if there is no penalty if broken?

If the book was simply removed from the table, then there's no penalty. Mistakes happen, not everything has to be punitive.

But if there's unsporting activity, there's a reason to penalize and you should.

yooperbballref Wed Jan 30, 2013 11:21pm

I'm digging back deep on this post... What would be the thing to do if there is not a visitors score book?

I thought of this tonight as we did a game where there was not a second book


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