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refd Mon Jan 14, 2013 10:55am
Bonus on off ball offensive foul
 
Long time reader first time poster...

Team A is on offense has 8 team fouls. Team A sets a moving screen on Team B. Does team B shoot?

Are off ball offensive fouls rewarded with shots.

I'm having a huge brain fart this morning!

Raymond Mon Jan 14, 2013 10:57am
Off ball offensive fouls are Team Control fouls.

On ball offensive fouls are Player Control fouls, which are also Team Control fouls.

JugglingReferee Mon Jan 14, 2013 11:01am
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Originally Posted by refd (Post 872043)
Long time reader first time poster...

Team A is on offense has 8 team fouls. Team A sets a moving screen on Team B. Does team B shoot?

Are off ball offensive fouls rewarded with shots.

I'm having a huge brain fart this morning!
No.

However, up until about 5-6 years ago, they were. There was a change that removed the foul shots on all team control fouls.

JRutledge Mon Jan 14, 2013 11:07am
Not all offensive fouls (no definition BTW) are treated the same.

It does matter if it is a TC foul or a PC foul BTW. And those would not result in FT being shot. And usually an illegal screen (but not always) would be a TC foul.

And off ball foul could be not in a TC situation like a rebounding foul.

Peace

dsqrddgd909 Mon Jan 14, 2013 11:19am
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Originally Posted by JugglingReferee (Post 872045)
No.

However, up until about 5-6 years ago, they were. There was a change that removed the foul shots on all team control foul shots.
Had a coach argue with me on this very situation on Friday night. Anyone have a reference on the change?

BillyMac Mon Jan 14, 2013 11:41am
Exception ???
 
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Originally Posted by BadNewsRef (Post 872044)
On ball offensive fouls are Player Control fouls, which are also Team Control fouls.
Every single player control foul is a team control foul? Are you certain?

BillyMac Mon Jan 14, 2013 11:43am
We've Got Fun And Games ...
 
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Originally Posted by refd (Post 872043)
Long time reader first time poster.
Welcome to the jungle.

Raymond Mon Jan 14, 2013 12:06pm
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Originally Posted by BillyMac (Post 872051)
Every single player control foul is a team control foul? Are you certain?
You have an exception?

Not every personal foul against the offense is a player control/team control foul. But I cannot not think of a PC foul that is not also a TC foul.

APG Mon Jan 14, 2013 12:10pm
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Originally Posted by BadNewsRef (Post 872057)
You have an exception?

Not every personal foul against the offense is a player control/team control foul. But I cannot not think of a PC foul that is not also a TC foul.
Foul by an airborne shooter after he/she has released the ball

Raymond Mon Jan 14, 2013 12:17pm
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Originally Posted by APG (Post 872058)
Foul by an airborne shooter after he/she has released the ball

If A1 has possession of the ball and commits a player control foul it is a TC foul.

After A1 releases the ball, technically, it is no longer "on ball" :D

BillyMac Mon Jan 14, 2013 01:20pm
Pick A Prize From The Top Shelf ...
 
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Originally Posted by APG (Post 872058)
Foul by an airborne shooter after he/she has released the ball
Bingo.

maven Mon Jan 14, 2013 01:21pm
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Originally Posted by BadNewsRef (Post 872062)
After A1 releases the ball, technically, it is no longer "on ball" :D
True, and that addresses the language of the OP, but that's not what you said:

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Originally Posted by BadNewsRef (Post 872062)
But I cannot not think of a PC foul that is not also a TC foul.

BillyMac Mon Jan 14, 2013 01:30pm
Watch For The Smilies ...
 
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Originally Posted by maven (Post 872090)
True, and that addresses the language of the OP, but that's not what you said.
Maybe you missed BadNewsRef's "Big Grin" smilie?

Raymond Mon Jan 14, 2013 02:06pm
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Originally Posted by BillyMac (Post 872098)
Maybe you missed BadNewsRef's "Big Grin" smilie?
People who have Latin quotes and Greek philosophers in their profile don't understand smilies. :p

maven Mon Jan 14, 2013 02:14pm
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Originally Posted by BadNewsRef (Post 872119)
People who have Latin quotes and Greek philosophers in their profile don't understand smilies. :p
True! Glad I'm not among them! :D

just another ref Mon Jan 14, 2013 02:40pm
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Originally Posted by BadNewsRef (Post 872119)
People who have Latin quotes and Greek philosophers in their profile don't understand smilies. :p

Tried to put one, but it was too long.

uva uvam vivendo varia fit

So I settled for an equally insightful line from the Hat Creek Cattle Company sign.

26 Year Gap Tue Jan 15, 2013 07:00pm
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Originally Posted by BadNewsRef (Post 872119)
People who have Latin quotes and Greek philosophers in their profile don't understand smilies. :p
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Originally Posted by maven (Post 872126)
True! Glad I'm not among them! :D
Methaphorically speaking.


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