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Old Mon Jan 14, 2013, 10:55am
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Bonus on off ball offensive foul
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Team A is on offense has 8 team fouls. Team A sets a moving screen on Team B. Does team B shoot?

Are off ball offensive fouls rewarded with shots.

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Off ball offensive fouls are Team Control fouls.

On ball offensive fouls are Player Control fouls, which are also Team Control fouls.
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Team A is on offense has 8 team fouls. Team A sets a moving screen on Team B. Does team B shoot?

Are off ball offensive fouls rewarded with shots.

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No.

However, up until about 5-6 years ago, they were. There was a change that removed the foul shots on all team control fouls.
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Not all offensive fouls (no definition BTW) are treated the same.

It does matter if it is a TC foul or a PC foul BTW. And those would not result in FT being shot. And usually an illegal screen (but not always) would be a TC foul.

And off ball foul could be not in a TC situation like a rebounding foul.

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No.

However, up until about 5-6 years ago, they were. There was a change that removed the foul shots on all team control foul shots.
Had a coach argue with me on this very situation on Friday night. Anyone have a reference on the change?
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On ball offensive fouls are Player Control fouls, which are also Team Control fouls.
Every single player control foul is a team control foul? Are you certain?
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Every single player control foul is a team control foul? Are you certain?
You have an exception?

Not every personal foul against the offense is a player control/team control foul. But I cannot not think of a PC foul that is not also a TC foul.
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You have an exception?

Not every personal foul against the offense is a player control/team control foul. But I cannot not think of a PC foul that is not also a TC foul.
Foul by an airborne shooter after he/she has released the ball
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Foul by an airborne shooter after he/she has released the ball

If A1 has possession of the ball and commits a player control foul it is a TC foul.

After A1 releases the ball, technically, it is no longer "on ball"
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Foul by an airborne shooter after he/she has released the ball
Bingo.
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After A1 releases the ball, technically, it is no longer "on ball"
True, and that addresses the language of the OP, but that's not what you said:

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But I cannot not think of a PC foul that is not also a TC foul.
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True, and that addresses the language of the OP, but that's not what you said.
Maybe you missed BadNewsRef's "Big Grin" smilie?
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Maybe you missed BadNewsRef's "Big Grin" smilie?
People who have Latin quotes and Greek philosophers in their profile don't understand smilies.
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