The changes to the NFHS Offcials manual have been post.

http://www.nfhs.org/Sports/basketbal...l_changes.html

Good-bye to the Birddog.
 

This is the best change since I have been officiating basketball. It is about time.

Peace

Re: Good by to the Birddog.
 

Rut,
I quit bird-doggin' a couple/few years ago. :)
mick

Re: Re: Good-bye to the Birddog.
 

I would have completely quit, but the folks around me basically penalize officials that would not birddog or give them crap. Unless you had 20 years or been around the block and are accepted, you are required to birddog. As a matter of fact, HS Officials and HS Clinicians would make a big deal about college officials not doing HS Mechanics. So I am glad that finally the NF has come to their senses and gotten rid of this old practice, at least as manditory all the time.

Peace

Re: Re: Re: Good by to the Birddog.
 

In High School, U.P. here, almost nobody cares what you do as long as you call the game according to how the coaches think it should be called. :rolleyes:

I would prefer official evaluations. If we aren't gettin' better, we're gettin' worse.

mick

Sounds like having two members of the rules committe from Texas has paid off. Most of these changes have already been implimented here. Bird dogging and Time out mechanics espeicially. 4)ball side area, is a no brainer but it is nice to have it written out.

Can anyone explain me how this differs from the current mechanics??? :confused:

Mark,
IMO, it's a clarification, or a mechanical POE.
I don't, at least didn't, switch until my partners were front court <U>and</U> set.
Some of my partners were switching on the transition before either partner was in the front court.
mick

I thought that was in the mechanics manual - I'll have to double check.


BTW, some of my partners - the only time they would rotate was when I was BC as T. At least they rotated!

Okay, you've been doing it for a while, but we haven't, so it feels awkward and uncomfortable. I was trying to make a go of it at the various camps I've been at ( the 2-person ones) and it leaves me with a lot of questions. What the lead should do when the ball drops down below the arc makes sense. But what does Trail do? I'm assuming Trail picks up anyone who is below the arc on the far side, but that doesn't seem like a very good arrangement. I can't see that anyone is going to have a good angle on a low post match-up on the far block. And if someone is planning to cut into the key from the far side, and a defender steps in too late, or was it too late, who knows? So I gues the T should move a little, but where to? If trail steps toward the top of the key, who sees the 3-point shot in the low ball-side corner?

And then, of course, there's always the question of who sees any action on the far oob play...

T picks up everything on the far side, which is typically low post play & other stuff thru the lane especially on rebounding action
Yeah, the veiw is ok. Not as good as the view would be from C but good enough. And if you're looking thru the lane and anticipate how the defense might be playing the offense that is being run then you're OK. Mostly.

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So I gues the T should move a little, but where to? If trail steps toward the top of the key, who sees the 3-point shot in the low ball-side corner?

T moves exactly as you say he does - around the arc to the top of the key. This makes it a little easier to cover the things you've just written about. In theory the T keeps the arc and 3 pt shots on that side and usually this is not a problem. Problem is on the long shot someone's gotta go with the ball & rebound, someone's gotta stay with the shooter. As T I like to stay with the shooter until I see he's OK then focus on the rim (GT/BI) and then lane for over the back.

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And then, of course, there's always the question of who sees any action on the far oob play...

By the book it's the L's call. In practice the T's gotta help out.

Bottom line: when the L comes over you as T keep refereeing the far side low post match-ups and the defense for illegal screens on motion and block/charge on plays where the ball is dumped quickly back into the middle. Don't worry too much about the far side OOB, someone will get it and if you don't make something up ;) The L comes over because the action is happening on the far side low post, let him cover that you have everything else. And yes, T is hard work in 2 man games - if it's done right.

I think they're saying as soon as the T is in the FC, the L can rotate.

Same question - I thought this was always the guideline . . .

IAABO's website had a great "You make the call" setup a few years ago with this senerio. So when L goes ball side, trail goes above the key. Think of it as three man without a C. T has any action outside of the three point line such as shots. He is also resposible for week side rebounds. When the ball is quickly thrown around the parimiter and out of bounds on the week side, the L has to blow the whistle but should ask T for assistance on who gets posession.

Remember that before you go ballside, the ball and post play should be on that side of the court.

IAABO's website had a great "You make the call" setup a few years ago with this senerio. So when L goes ball side, trail goes above the key. Think of it as three man without a C. T has any action outside of the three point line such as shots. He is also resposible for week side rebounds. When the ball is quickly thrown around the parimiter and out of bounds on the week side, the L has to blow the whistle but should ask T for assistance on who gets posession.

Remember that before you go ballside, the ball and post play should be on that side of the court.

My understanding of the new mechanic is that the ball is L's primary as soon as it's inside the arc on that side, whether or not there's any post play. If I'm still far-side away from trail, and the ball is at the top of the key, with the look of someone cutting toward inside the arc below the trail, I'm going across right now -- with or without any post play -- so I'm there when the ball drops down, don't you think?

The way I understand it is, that that side of the lane is T's resposibility until L is on that side of the lane.

[Edited by Tim Roden on Jul 15th, 2003 at 10:19 PM]

What does # 8 re no long switches mean?

Last two years, with back court foul and with the ball moving to the front court, the Officials were not to switch when a foul was called. (ie. the calling official did not go opposite)

Juulie

My two cents... It may feel uncomfortable to work that way
but L should always have been working that way. This is the first time they have put it into writing--- I learned this way 10 years ago from a solid NBA official --- Once you go strong side you have ball, Trail has off ball, you have strong side rebounding, trail has perimeter and weakside rebounding. If you are not used to going across.. you just have to get in the habit of realizing when ball is away from you it does not do any good fro you to ref away from the play--- If a team is playing the skip pass/zone stuff you wait to go across--- The way I decide in a high school type level--- if the ball goes away from me I ask my self? Should I go across? Once I think that long if the ball is there yes go across, If I get there and ball is moving back I stay where I am at--- Is it 100% accurate nope! but if you move just dont stop in the middle of the paint...

Once you have trail and lead on same side of the floor Trail is responsible for Lead's sideline. Most of the time it will be a skip pass or hard pass you miss and Trail has the best look anyway. This is not any difference as when ball is above FT Line extended and ball goes OOB on Leads side. Trail has first shot at it...

It's a great way to officiate because you are making the call from strong side, you are right on top of play, you are there watching play go to basket. It looks so so good when you go strong side, and pick up the bang bang call...

a coach can complain about the judgement but they can't complain when you are standing on top of the play with a great angle...

What even looks better is on a fast break and you hustle down the floor and go strong side and ref the layup from there and there is a foul

Drake is the Master of that one... Now that I have lost 30 pounds from this heat I'm going to challenge his title

BTW its strange when you adjust and you think that 95 degrees feels cool!

Have a great summer learning this because once you do, when you have a partner that does it you'll have a better game--- and it will drive you nuts when you have a partner that doesn't

Kelvin

Do you do other dances while officiating?

http://www.deephousepage.com/smilies/djparty.gif

This is wonderful.

A better link would be http://www.nfhs.org/sports/basketball_rules_change.htm
 

It has all of the changes.

http://www.nfhs.org/sports/basketball_rules_change.htm

Mick....or any other Old Guy.....

So does this mean that they want a long switch now? Better question....how many of you will actually employ this or will you keep no long switches in your pregames?

Larks

Yeah, this is sure to get plenty of answers...
:rolleyes:

Kelvin --

I have been taught to go across when the ball drops down, but that I don't have the ball, unless it's clear that trail doesn't have an angle. The theory is that the view/angle back through the key is going to be better from strong side.

We are also taught that being "right on top of the play" isn't the best way to officiate. That we should try to take a step or two away, to "see the whole play". So I'm not sure about what you're saying here.

I will be doing some varsity this coming year, but also quite a bit of JV, and I really don't want to be driven nuts by partners who aren't at that level yet. So I'm not sure about this part either.

I do appreciate your advice though that in general it's the best way to go. I agree, but not with the specific points I addressed.

:rolleyes:

Juulie
The mechanics just clarified the way we should have been refereeing- If you go back to the mechanics book it shows us reffing ball from the strong side--

Once that ball drops and settles the lead should pick it up. Although youre right sometimes you dont want to be on top of the play-- if you have a jump shot from the strong side of the paint it certainly looks better if you call it from strong side baseline ten feet away than it does for a trail who could be farther way and have more players in between. Working strong side is no different than if you were lead away from table/trail is table side ( balanced floor) and ball was in front of you-- Trail still has off ball in that situation and you are on ball right in front of you... Ball goes across paint, youre just going across and reffing as if Trail had swapped sides of floor ( they obviously dont) but you are reffing the ball. You have a better chance of picking up bad screens, the B/C, and the OOB that trail is definitely stretching for...

When you are with the ball on either side you have to see the whole play, that's why we referee the defense.. You know the ball is coming to the basket, so we watch the defense--- Personally I love working with Drake because even if the ball is slightly above FT Line extanded I will take it as lead in an isolation play because most of the time we know ball is going to the basket... There is no confusion on who should have the call because I or he will if he is on the basleine take the ballall the way to the hole.

Just some things to think about--- I love reffing the way the book espouses now-It is a long time coming-- It has always been implied but this is the first time they put it into writing that makes sense..

Kelvin, I'm confused. And frankly, I'm so confused, I'm not even sure how to ask a question. Could someone else check in here, and give an opinion? I think we're discussing whether lead has always reffed the ball after he/she crossed to strong side, or whether that is new. But maybe we're actually talking about something else, I'm not sure.

Here's my take on "strong side" or "ball side" officiating in a 2-whistle crew.

When the Lead goes ballside, the Lead continues to officiate his/her primary area of responsibility, whether the ball is in that area or not.

If you go ballside b/c the ball has settled in the opposite post, then you officiate the ball in the post, b/c it's your primary.

If you go ballside b/c the competitive matchup is getting heated on the opposite block, then you officiate that matchup, b/c it's in your primary. Your partner will still have to be on-ball.

In either case, if the ball swings back to your primary on your "normal" side of the court, you have to go back and officiate on-ball in your primary. But I think that's not really a point of confusion in this thread.

Chuck

In order for this to work for the crew, it is very important that you communicate with your partner using body language when you are on ball vs. off ball. If you come across strong side and take the ball, you need to make sure that you square up to the base line so that your partner knows that he/she can now move off ball. Conversely (no, not Nikely) if you come strong side and stay with the competitive matchup described above, you will need to make sure you stay at a 45 degree angle with your body.

Discussing this in your pregame and working this out with your partner makes this system work very well.

Conversely (no, not Nikely) - cute
 

bigwhistle,
Sounds like you and I won't have to pre-game that. ;)
mick

If you (as a crew) do a good job in the pregame, then the "body language" should be unnecessary. Communication always helps ("crew dynamics" is a mantra down here), but your partner at Trail should know that when you come ballside, you will still be in your primary, whether that's on-ball or off-ball. Once that's clear, then s/he just has to work his/her primary without worrying about where your eyes are.

Chuck,
That body posturing is/was taught/recommended/required for Women's ball.
mick

I have no problem with it. As I said, communication is a good thing. My only point is that if the crew has a good pre-game, the Trail official probably shouldn't need the reminder. Remind him/her anyway? Fine by me. We do it all the time with end-of-game situations. I have no problem with it.

Chuck