5 Fouls
 

On a shooting foul were free throws will follow, when a player has five fouls and fouls out what is a the proper procedure in NFHS?

Example: A1 commits a shooting foul on B1, that was A1's fifth foul, B1 has 2 free throw shots.

Thanks.

Easy As One, Two, Three (Jackson Five) ...
 

1) Inform the head coach (Player is now officially bench personnel).

2) Inform the player.

3) Bye. Bye.

(Please let me post the video. Please.)

1a. Notify timer to start the clock for the 20-sec replacement interval.

0. Report the foul to the table.

4. And when the replacement for A1 checks in, A1's sub comes in along with any other subs that have reported.

Good one!

No need to wait until before the last free throw to bring in others!

It's already been reported. Or we wouldn't know it was the fifth foul.:)

You might have known he was sitting on 4 already.

I might have, but even if I did, what I know doesn't disqualify anyone. I have to hear that he has 5 in the book.

Somebody forget ...
 

Not required, but, somewhere along the line, notify your partners..

Nothing's Simple ...
 

The Jackson Five were wrong, it's not as "Easy As One, Two, Three".

(Please let me post the video.)

I always go over this procedure with the timer. I'm going to the coach first and then I'm *immediately* coming to you to start the clock. One horn at 5 seconds. I'll handle the rest.

I've watched too many partners dawdle with this and essentially grant the teams a timeout while we wait. Not me.

Do it!

I agree that we shouldn't let this become a timeout, but I do one thing: I ask the coach if he/she has a sub or if he/she needs time. If they say they have someone and the sub goes to the table, we play. If they need/want time, I go to the table and have them start the time. IME the coach often has a sub and we can just continue with the game.

I like this suggestion. I'm going to use it. Thanks.

And, 50% of the time, the sub is already at the table, so I just verify with the coach or sub that the sub is coming in for #xx.

Please ...
 

Sorry, I need permission from a moderator.

You know it's better to ask for forgiveness than permission. Sometimes.

Bad Timing ...
 

I do not want to be suspended from the Forum right in the middle of basketball season, so I'm takng no chances.

Jurassic ref has passed away ? It's been a while since I've been on the forum,
I'll miss his straight shooting answers if so. :(

Yep...I usually do that before formally informing the coach so that my partners are aware of the upcoming delay. If I'm the new C (high school) with free throws upcoming I'll step near the free throw circle until trail is ready.

Ok Billy knock yourself out. I'm feeling charitable today after tossing a coach last night.

Sadly he did. :( mick did too if you hadn't heard.

Nice idea; but if the coached is pissed or has been a problem during the game I'm not initiating ANY conversation that might give him/her an opportunity to say something derogatory.

I think that goes without saying. But many fifth foul scenarios are not contentious.

I agree. But for newer officials, it may be wise not to make this your routine procedure. Use some caution.

Stupid Sarcastic Coach ...
 

You're probably right, but my most recent head coach ejection, a few years ago, was in a "fifth foul" scenario.

http://forum.officiating.com/basketb...tml#post686961

(Note: It may be worth your while to read through the entire attached link. There's some classic Jurassic Referee stuff in the link, and one of the few times that I was on Jurassic Referee's good side. Poor JugglingReferee was not on Jurassic Referee's good side in this thread, but he did a nice job stating his case against a relentless debate opponent. I really miss Jurassic Referee, but he lives on, giving good advice, in cyberspace.)

Nor is there any need to wait until A6 reports. If subs are waiting at the table, they can enter before A6 reports.

yeah until they are mad at you for fouling out their player. Then they take as much time as they can get away with before they get a tech. Just follow the procedure outlined and that will save you any headaches with coaches.

Had that last summer. I think he was surprised at what happened at twenty seconds.

1.1.1 Here, the non-calling official (2-man) has to notify the coach.

I can only imagine. I had a similar thing in a varsity game a few years ago. He figured I'd ask and then ask again and then ask again. He was wrong.

This mechanic to me is idiotic. I understand if you expect confrontation you should do it (maybe). But to do it all the time makes no sense. Part of our job is to explain certain calls/non-calls to coaches. You have to be able to communicate with them. Now if you follow the mechanic and have the non-calling official notify the coach, to me it looks like you are going to hide in the corner and let your partner take care of the dirty work.

Most In My Little Corner Of Connecticut Handle It This Way ...
 

From my pregame: Game management: If I call a fifth foul on a player, I’ll tell the coach, unless I think it’s going to be a problem.

Didn't say I agree with it, but when the state assignor says this is the mechanic they want used, you need to do as they say. When in Rome...

I do not agree that it is our job to explain a call we made. It is our job to inform them they have a player that fouled out. It is a courtesy based on their actions that might get me to explain a call. And certainly if a player has fouled out, I am not explaining a whole lot. As stated, by far most times the coach already knows and already has a sub at the table or within seconds of reporting.

Peace