Originally Posted by JRutledge (Post 870946)

I did not say make up something, I said call the first foul. Often players react to players being all over them and we ignore those fouls because the player did not lose the ball or we call a held ball after a lot of contact took place. If you call the first foul you likely stop the frustration of throwing their elbows to get away and then you do not have to worry about calling an intentional foul or flagrant as a result. That is all I am saying.

Peace

Originally Posted by OKREF (Post 870930)

The problem is the wording of the rule.

Originally Posted by MD Longhorn (Post 870929)

At 41.6 degrees latitude, you've moving at 74.77980905% of that - or 775.87 mph, just around the center of the earth.

Originally Posted by egj13 (Post 870984)

I am going to bet that we see a rewording or clarification in next year's rule book.

I had a play like the OP on Saturday night. Kid rebounds, swings the ball from one side to the other but catches the defender in the chin so I whistle an intentional foul. Neither coach had an issue with it...I think it has been explained pretty well in our part of Montana. If an elbow hits a defender above the shoulders it is at a minimum an intentional.

Originally Posted by just another ref (Post 870911)

POE: Contact with an elbow in movement should be an intentional foul.

State: An elbow moving with the torso is considered stationary.

Translation: We don't want that many intentional fouls called (me: it really isn't that many) and this sounds better than "Ignore this POE."

Originally Posted by Adam (Post 870914)

Then you aren't really paying attention to what we're writing.

Originally Posted by egj13 (Post 870984)

I am going to bet that we see a rewording or clarification in next year's rule book.

Originally Posted by JRutledge (Post 871051)

Make interpretation positions (point of emphasis) without changing the actual rule.