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Zoochy Sat Jan 05, 2013 01:14pm
To sub or not to sub???
 
I call a foul on a player early in the 1st quarter. I realize that it is her 2nd foul, I am a little more slower/deliberate in reporting my foul so the Coach can get a player to substitute. After reporting the foul there is still no movement. So I turn an get into position. NOW I hear him bark out "Sub... sub". I give a peak and the player is just getting off the bench. Now my partner has handed the ball to the thrower-in. I verbalize to the coach "Too late". The throw-in is completed and the horn sounds.:eek: I give the stop sign to the potential sub to keep her off the court as the Team A is now advancing the ball up the court. My partner blows the whistle to stop play.
He wants to keep the sub at the table (demonstrates this via hand motions) and proceeds to line up Team A for a throw-in.
Do you NOW allow the sub to enter?

TimTaylor Sat Jan 05, 2013 01:21pm
Quote:
Originally Posted by Zoochy (Post 870271)
I call a foul on a player early in the 1st quarter. I realize that it is her 2nd foul, I am a little more slower/deliberate in reporting my foul so the Coach can get a player to substitute. After reporting the foul there is still no movement. So I turn an get into position. NOW I hear him bark out "Sub... sub". I give a peak and the player is just getting off the bench. Now my partner has handed the ball to the thrower-in. I verbalize to the coach "Too late". The throw-in is completed and the horn sounds.:eek: I give the stop sign to the potential sub to keep her off the court as the Team A is now advancing the ball up the court. My partner blows the whistle to stop play.
He wants to keep the sub at the table (demonstrates this via hand motions) and proceeds to line up Team A for a throw-in.
Do you NOW allow the sub to enter?
Yes

BillyMac Sat Jan 05, 2013 01:35pm
Substitute ???
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by TimTaylor (Post 870272)
Yes
The ball is dead, the clock is stopped, the substitute is eligible to enter the game (sit a tick, not disqualified, not for shooter, etc.), the substitute is at the table, and the administering official is not about to make the ball live. No rule to keep the substitute at the table. Beckon the substitute into the game.

TimTaylor Sat Jan 05, 2013 04:30pm
Quote:
Originally Posted by BillyMac (Post 870275)
The ball is dead, the clock is stopped, the substitute is eligible to enter the game (sit a tick, not disqualified, not for shooter, etc.), the substitute is at the table, and the administering official is not about to make the ball live. No rule to keep the substitute at the table. Beckon the substitute into the game.
I thought that's what I said..:D

26 Year Gap Sat Jan 05, 2013 04:32pm
Quote:
Originally Posted by TimTaylor (Post 870293)
I thought that's what I said..:D
But, you were not clear in your response.

JugglingReferee Sat Jan 05, 2013 04:36pm
Quote:
Originally Posted by Zoochy (Post 870271)
I call a foul on a player early in the 1st quarter. I realize that it is her 2nd foul, I am a little more slower/deliberate in reporting my foul so the Coach can get a player to substitute. After reporting the foul there is still no movement. So I turn an get into position. NOW I hear him bark out "Sub... sub". I give a peak and the player is just getting off the bench. Now my partner has handed the ball to the thrower-in. I verbalize to the coach "Too late". The throw-in is completed and the horn sounds.:eek: I give the stop sign to the potential sub to keep her off the court as the Team A is now advancing the ball up the court. My partner blows the whistle to stop play.
He wants to keep the sub at the table (demonstrates this via hand motions) and proceeds to line up Team A for a throw-in.
Do you NOW allow the sub to enter?
+1 I like the "slower" mechanic!

I think you did the right thing - the sub is too late. But once your partner threw you under the bus, you have to bring her in.

Adam Sat Jan 05, 2013 06:43pm
If your partner didn't want to bring the sub in, he shouldn't have blown his damned whistle.

Sharpshooternes Sat Jan 05, 2013 08:34pm
Quote:
Originally Posted by JugglingReferee (Post 870296)
+1 I like the "slower" mechanic!

I think you did the right thing - the sub is too late. But once your partner threw you under the bus, you have to bring her in.
Had that happen yesterday too. Handed the ball to player, started five second count. Horn sounds and I disregard it and then my P lets the sub in without blowing a whistle or anything. The varsity officials called him on it in the LR after our game.

Zoochy Mon Jan 07, 2013 12:39am
Quote:
Originally Posted by Adam (Post 870305)
If your partner didn't want to bring the sub in, he shouldn't have blown his damned whistle.
I brought in the sub. A short time later a Time-Out was called and discussed that he did not like that I brought in the sub. I told him the same thing you said without using your adjective about his whistle.
We never had a chance to bring up that discussion again. :D


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