Over and back violation?
 

Team A has a throw-in at the baseline of their front court. The ball is thrown and hits the hand of an A player in their front court and goes into the back court. The ball is controlled by an A player in his back court. Violation?

Does the recent rule change on team control during a throw-in affect this?

Who You Gonna Call ???
 

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During a throwin, even under a team’s own basket, if the throwin is deflected, tipped, or batted by an offensive player in the frontcourt to an offensive player in the backcourt; or after a missed field goal attempt or a missed foul shot attempt, if the ball is deflected, tipped, or batted by an offensive player in the frontcourt to an offensive player in the backcourt; these are not a backcourt violations.

The four elements for having a backcourt violation are: there must be team control (and initial player control
when coming from a throw-in); the ball must have achieved frontcourt status; the team in team control must
be the last to touch the ball before it goes into the backcourt; that same team must be the first to touch after
the ball has been in the backcourt

No.

No.

When passed on a throw-in the play is legal. Howeve when passed from bc to fc and batted back it is a backcourt violation according to the case book. Does anyone know why they made the rules such that is is not ruled the same in both instances.

It's Not You, It's Team Control ...
 

It's not the same. Team control in one, no team control due to no player control established inbounds (be careful with the new rule) with the other.

There's TC in both situations, Billy.

The difference is PC Inbounds.

This should be drilled into the head of every new official! Plain, simple, and hopefully unable to screw up...

Like this?
 

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That play should NOT have been BC.

We've been trying ever since the interwebs was invented.

Pretty basic stuff on the video. I am always surprised when that stuff is called a violation.

Peace

Stupid Backcourt Rule ...
 

No use in stating where throw-in originated, it's irrelevant to any ruling.

Is there really? Or is it just that a foul that occurs during a throwin is considered a team control foul (much like a foul by an airborne shooter is a PC foul even though there is no PC)? From the way they've explained everything about what they want called, the latter is really the way they want it. If viewed that way, everything lines up nicely.

That would have been the way to write the rule, but that's not the way the rule was written. There is TC and PC now during a throw-in.