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Adam Sun Dec 30, 2012 08:27pm

I'm only guessing, but I would bet the areas where you'll get grief for calling this are far outnumbered by the areas where more trouble would come for letting this crap go.

just another ref Sun Dec 30, 2012 08:29pm

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Originally Posted by JRutledge (Post 869148)
I would think "freaking a$$" might be considered over the top to some too. I had a parent want me to T a coach because he said "God Dagit." I told the parent, "Not everyone believes in God." The problem is everyone is using a different standard for different reasons. Then again that is life and some of you really need to get used to that fact.

Peace

True, and I would not presume to advise anyone one way or the other here, but, apparently, in your area, you don't believe much in tact, either.

Adam Sun Dec 30, 2012 08:30pm

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Originally Posted by johnny d (Post 869117)
I dont give a rat's flying *uck what a coach says to his player in their huddle. If the people courtside can hear it, they can complain to the athletic director or other school administrator and they can decide how they want to handle the coach. Otherwise, it is just a word that the fragile freshman ball player you are so concerned about probably hears and says many times each day. Grow some *ucking thicker skin!

Guys that brag about having thick skin often need to be told to "grow a *ucking pair."

JRutledge Sun Dec 30, 2012 08:34pm

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Originally Posted by just another ref (Post 869154)
True, and I would not presume to advise anyone one way or the other here, but, apparently, in your area, you don't believe much in tact, either.

That incident happen over 15 years ago and not in the area that I live now. But with that being said, how do you know I do not go to church or that I am involved in my church more than you or anyone else here? But that is why this conversation is overall stupid, because this has little to do with morals.

Peace

Adam Sun Dec 30, 2012 08:38pm

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Originally Posted by JRutledge (Post 869156)
That incident happen over 15 years ago and not in the area that I live now. But with that being said, how do you know I do not go to church or that I am involved in my church more than you or anyone else here? But that is why this conversation is overall stupid, because this has little to do with morals.

Peace

I have to ask.

What does your church attendance or involvement have to do with jar's post?

JRutledge Sun Dec 30, 2012 08:41pm

I have a better question......
 
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Originally Posted by Adam (Post 869157)
I have to ask.

What does your church attendance or involvement have to do with jar's post?

And what does believing in God have to do with this issue?

Peace

Maineac Sun Dec 30, 2012 08:49pm

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Originally Posted by JRutledge (Post 869152)
Again you are missing the point about acceptability. I see officials allow all kinds of things I do not find acceptable to me, you do not see me getting upset with them when they handle situations a different way. There are other things illegal in the rules and I do not even see officials address or try to correct, but inappropriate language all of a sudden has to be the big bad rule we must enforce? :rolleyes:

I'm not missing your point. I got it in your first post. I was describing how I would handle things in answer to the OP. I'm not getting upset with you for handling situations in a different way either. You handle them how you handle them. As do I.

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Originally Posted by JRutledge (Post 869152)
Again, a Technical foul does not solve everything. Some things can be addressed in another way and accomplish the same thing. This is sports, not social justice arena.

I never said a technical foul solves everything. I said in this particular, narrow example that is how I would handle it.

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Originally Posted by JRutledge (Post 869152)
Actually NCAA players in my experience are usually better behaved than HS players. Those officials at that level do not do or say the things I see regularly at the HS level because those officials will quickly put them in their place. You think kids are getting the the faces of Teddy Valentine, Karl Hess or Jim Burr?

No, I don't. But as I've mentioned several times now, I'm talking about a freshman in high school level.

JRutledge Sun Dec 30, 2012 08:51pm

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Originally Posted by Maineac (Post 869159)
I'm not missing your point. I got it in your first post. I was describing how I would handle things in answer to the OP. I'm not getting upset with you for handling situations in a different way either. You handle them how you handle them. As do I.


I never said a technical foul solves everything. I said in this particular, narrow example that is how I would handle it.


No, I don't. But as I've mentioned several times now, I'm talking about a freshman in high school level.

So I have to handle things the way you do so you can feel better? You are not confident in your own standards and ability to decide what goes too far?

I also did not realize the rule was different for the Freshman level. I guess that is a different standard too?

Peace

BktBallRef Sun Dec 30, 2012 08:58pm

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Originally Posted by just another ref (Post 869062)
Is there anywhere the word "*ucking" is not inappropriate ?


Oh, I can think of a couple of places! :D


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Maineac Sun Dec 30, 2012 09:01pm

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Originally Posted by JRutledge (Post 869160)
So I have to handle things the way you do so you can feel better? You are not confident in your own standards and ability to decide what goes too far?

I also did not realize the rule was different for the Freshman level. I guess that is a different standard too?

Peace

Pretty sure I just said you obviously do things your way and I do them differently. I don't care if you do them my way and it won't make me feel better or worse. I don't work anywhere near you. I'm actually quite confident in my own standards and ability to decide what goes too far, like you I do it every game I work.

Do you enforce all rules the same for all levels? Call every travel you see in a middle school game? Your last two sentences are borderline silly, and you're obviously just looking for an argument.

JRutledge Sun Dec 30, 2012 09:13pm

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Originally Posted by Maineac (Post 869162)
Pretty sure I just said you obviously do things your way and I do them differently. I don't care if you do them my way and it won't make me feel better or worse. I don't work anywhere near you. I'm actually quite confident in my own standards and ability to decide what goes too far, like you I do it every game I work.

Then if that is what I said, then why are we even debating this issue?

Do you enforce all rules the same for all levels? Call every travel you see in a middle school game? Your last two sentences are borderline silly, and you're obviously just looking for an argument.[/QUOTE]

Actually the general philosophy I take in officiating does not change during levels unless there are rules or specifics do do something differently. I call obvious violations. I do not work a lot of middle school games now, but when I did I would call what was obvious. The players have a different skill level so they are going to be smoother at certain things.

And I responded to the OP without quoting anyone. Not sure what fight I am looking for.

Peace

Adam Sun Dec 30, 2012 09:26pm

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Originally Posted by JRutledge (Post 869158)
And what does believing in God have to do with this issue?

Peace

Not sure, you're the one who brought it in. So, what does it have to do with it?

JRutledge Sun Dec 30, 2012 09:30pm

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Originally Posted by Adam (Post 869169)
Not sure, you're the one who brought it in. So, what does it have to do with it?

I simply told a story about language. Not sure why it matters at this point. You guys are going to do what works for you and I will do the same. All this debating over what is appropriate or not is going to always vary. I see how different parents raise their kids, so some people obviously have different standards in those things and those things would involved language and the usage of certain language.

Peace

Adam Sun Dec 30, 2012 09:36pm

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Originally Posted by JRutledge (Post 869171)
I simply told a story about language. Not sure why it matters at this point. You guys are going to do what works for you and I will do the same. All this debating over what is appropriate or not is going to always vary. I see how different parents raise their kids, so some people obviously have different standards in those things and those things would involved language and the usage of certain language.

Peace

That doesn't mean we can't enforce community standards. Obviously, those standards are different between Chicago and, say, Salt Lake City, but some standards are more universal than others. "Fu@k" for example, is far more universally unacceptable than all but about a handful of other words.

JRutledge Sun Dec 30, 2012 09:41pm

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Originally Posted by Adam (Post 869172)
That doesn't mean we can't enforce community standards. Obviously, those standards are different between Chicago and, say, Salt Lake City, but some standards are more universal than others. "Fu@k" for example, is far more universally unacceptable than all but about a handful of other words.

I did not say what you can't do. If something goes too far in your mind penalize away. ;)

And I live in a suburb west of Chicago, the standards are not the same there then what they are in the city of Chicago.

Peace


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