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rockyroad Fri Dec 14, 2012 05:00pm
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Originally Posted by Nevadaref (Post 866924)
It has been published by the NFHS in a POE.
When was that? I honestly do not remember the NFHS ever publishing something that said a coach yelling "Foul! Foul!" was to be issued an unsporting T...

rekent Fri Dec 14, 2012 05:05pm
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Originally Posted by rockyroad (Post 866929)
When was that? I honestly do not remember the NFHS ever publishing something that said a coach yelling "Foul! Foul!" was to be issued an unsporting T...
While not presuming to be a mindreader, I think he may have been referring to this year's POE (#10) about intentionals late in games. Some of that POE on intentionals seems a little... wacky? for lack of a better word.

DLH17 Fri Dec 14, 2012 05:22pm
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Originally Posted by OKREF (Post 866908)
Aren't all fouls at the end of a game when a team is trying to foul to stop the clock, by the book intentional fouls? Common sense must prevail here. Yes they are fouling on purpose, but as long as they make a play on the ball and the contact is excessive, I am calling a common foul.
:eek:

OKREF Fri Dec 14, 2012 05:25pm
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Originally Posted by OKREF (Post 866908)
Aren't all fouls at the end of a game when a team is trying to foul to stop the clock, by the book intentional fouls? Common sense must prevail here. Yes they are fouling on purpose, but as long as they make a play on the ball and the contact is excessive, I am calling a common foul.
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Originally Posted by DLH17 (Post 866933)
:eek:
Typo...isn't

MD Longhorn Fri Dec 14, 2012 05:56pm
There is a difference between an intentional foul and an Intentional Foul.

BillyMac Fri Dec 14, 2012 09:57pm
Misty Water Color Memories ...
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by stripes2255 (Post 866907)
Understanding that the coach should have some other "safe" word for this action ...
Previous to the inclusion of 4.19.3 Sit D in the casebook, most smart coaches did use some type of code word that would instruct their players to "intentionally unintentionally" foul opponents, but would prevent the "real" intentional foul penalty of two shots and the ball.

just another ref Sat Dec 15, 2012 02:43am
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Originally Posted by MD Longhorn (Post 866938)
There is a difference between an intentional foul and an Intentional Foul.
True. I would like to see a name change for this particular infraction.

26 Year Gap Sat Dec 15, 2012 09:20am
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Originally Posted by just another ref (Post 866972)
True. I would like to see a name change for this particular infraction.
How about "intentional intentional foul?"

bob jenkins Sat Dec 15, 2012 09:52am
Part of the reason NCAA went to F1 / F2

JugglingReferee Sat Dec 15, 2012 09:56am
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Originally Posted by 26 Year Gap (Post 866989)
How about "intentional intentional foul?"
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Originally Posted by bob jenkins (Post 866994)
Part of the reason NCAA went to F1 / F2
Maybe the Fed should adopt the I1 / I2.

Adam Sat Dec 15, 2012 11:43am
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Originally Posted by JugglingReferee (Post 866996)
Maybe the Fed should adopt the I1 / I2.
It's a semantics issue. I don't think it would help.

just another ref Sat Dec 15, 2012 12:50pm
Call it anything else. Flagrant I & II would be fine.

The word intentional is misleading.

"Mr. Ref, he didn't do it on purpose!"

Adam Sat Dec 15, 2012 12:54pm
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Originally Posted by just another ref (Post 867008)
Call it anything else. Flagrant I & II would be fine.

The word intentional is misleading.

"Mr. Ref, he didn't do it on purpose!"
You get that often? I don't.

JugglingReferee Sat Dec 15, 2012 12:54pm
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Originally Posted by Adam (Post 867004)
It's a semantics issue. I don't think it would help.
I was just playing along, actually.

just another ref Sat Dec 15, 2012 01:00pm
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Originally Posted by Adam (Post 867010)
You get that often? I don't.
Often, no. The one time that I recall it was quite an issue was one of the very few times I have called intentional for excessive contact.

Actually, the opposite is probably the case. Intentional is not the call when everybody knows that he did do it on purpose.


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