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SamIAm Fri Dec 14, 2012 03:35pm

Seth Davis of SI.Com Officiating Article
 
Interesting officiating article by Seth Davis of SI.Com -

Block or charge calls, top players on bad teams, more college hoops - College Basketball - Seth Davis - SI.com

Camron Rust Fri Dec 14, 2012 05:06pm

Good article and video quiz.

Watch the video, make your calls, then go to the bottom of page 2 on the article for John Adams' ruling on the plays.

10 for 10 here. :D

DLH17 Fri Dec 14, 2012 05:21pm

I agreed with Seth on all but 6, 7 and 10.

canuckrefguy Fri Dec 14, 2012 05:30pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by Camron Rust (Post 866931)
Good article and video quiz.

Watch the video, make your calls, then go to the bottom of page 2 on the article for John Adams' ruling on the plays.

10 for 10 here. :D

Same here...I believe I've earned a http://i93.photobucket.com/albums/l5...t1968/beer.gif

twocentsworth Fri Dec 14, 2012 06:17pm

8 out of 10.

btw...I'm sure that John Adams is glad his tournament-selected officials got most of them wrong and displayed "proper" mechanics....(he typed w/ extreme sarcasm)....:)

Camron Rust Fri Dec 14, 2012 07:08pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by DLH17 (Post 866932)
I agreed with Seth on all but 6, 7 and 10.

You're not disagreeing with Seth but John Adams. Seth only put the information into the article. You might want to review the plays again knowing who's opinion it really is that you're disagreeing with.

Altor Fri Dec 14, 2012 08:35pm

You guys are pretty good teachers. This non-basketball official got 10 of 10. :D

trojans2545 Fri Dec 14, 2012 08:41pm

9/10, going off first look, no replays

10/10 (changed my answer to number 6 only) when using the replays as well

So I'm giving it a 9/10, I'm happy with that :)

Sharpshooternes Sat Dec 15, 2012 06:20am

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Originally Posted by trojans2545 (Post 866946)
9/10, going off first look, no replays

10/10 (changed my answer to number 6 only) when using the replays as well

So I'm giving it a 9/10, I'm happy with that :)

9/10 first look for me as well. Changed number 10 to block looking at the second angle. He was definately leaning left after the shooter left the ground.

I love the comments after the article too. "He wasn't set!!" Please!!!

egj13 Mon Dec 17, 2012 04:31pm

Missed #2 and #8...obvious once I read the reasoning. Next time I call a block or charge and the coach disagrees I am going to tell him I scored 80% on John Adams' test so odds are in my favor that I got this one right also! :D

Scuba_ref Mon Dec 17, 2012 05:01pm

Video
 
Does anyone know how to pull the video out to watch it offline? I would like to show this at an association meeting but we don't have internet available to us at the location.

Thanks

DLH17 Mon Dec 17, 2012 05:02pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by Camron Rust (Post 866942)
You're not disagreeing with Seth but John Adams. Seth only put the information into the article. You might want to review the plays again knowing who's opinion it really is that you're disagreeing with.

I used it as a learning tool. Good stuff.

wyo96 Mon Dec 17, 2012 05:03pm

great training
 
Sam,

Thank you for the link!!
I will use it at our next association meeting.

JeroenB Mon Dec 17, 2012 05:21pm

Very nice test, thanks for posting!
Got 8/10 on first try. Had a block on play 5, but seems like a pretty obvious charge in hindsight. Had a charge on play 9, didn't see much of a block/charge situation here, more of verticality issue, but I understand why now.

Camron Rust Mon Dec 17, 2012 07:34pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by Scuba_ref (Post 867321)
Does anyone know how to pull the video out to watch it offline? I would like to show this at an association meeting but we don't have internet available to us at the location.

Thanks

From youtube, I know how, but on this one, I've not been able to do so.

Scuba_ref Tue Dec 18, 2012 12:56am

I was able to pull it off with my home pc. I have real player on my home pc and when I played the video from home I was given the option to download the video using the Real Player Downloader!

ballgame99 Tue Dec 18, 2012 12:04pm

9/10 I missed #7 (Kentucky/Kansas). The amount of forward movement by the defender is minor compared to the forward movement of the offensive player. I see the block on third watch, but live that would be a tough one to call.

JugglingReferee Tue Dec 18, 2012 01:02pm

9 / 10.

Missed play 10. I hummed and hawed (sp?) at 10 as there is justification for the PC, imho.

JugglingReferee Tue Dec 18, 2012 01:03pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by ballgame99 (Post 867452)
9/10 I missed #7 (Kentucky/Kansas). The amount of forward movement by the defender is minor compared to the forward movement of the offensive player. I see the block on third watch, but live that would be a tough one to call.

7 I can see going either way. I wrote down both actually because it's so close to call.

Rufus Tue Dec 18, 2012 01:41pm

8/10. I will say that refereeing the defense helped in all of these (well, in 8 of them anyway!) and is typically what I don't do when watching a game on TV (i.e., I'm more of a fan, not an official when just watching). Definitely a good exercise.

Camron Rust Tue Dec 18, 2012 01:46pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by ballgame99 (Post 867452)
9/10 I missed #7 (Kentucky/Kansas). The amount of forward movement by the defender is minor compared to the forward movement of the offensive player. I see the block on third watch, but live that would be a tough one to call.

If only one is moving toward the other, then that player is responsible for the contact. But, if both are moving toward each other at any speed, then the defender is responsible for the contact. It doesn't matter how much the defender is moving...if they are moving towards the opponent, they are not legal.

Terrapins Fan Tue Dec 18, 2012 01:47pm

I was 9/10.
#8 was the hardest for me, I changed my mind and got it right, missed #7 after I watched a 2nd time, I could see where I was wrong, but at game speed...

We need more of these videos for training.

ballgame99 Tue Dec 18, 2012 02:56pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by Camron Rust (Post 867495)
If only one is moving toward the other, then that player is responsible for the contact. But, if both are moving toward each other at any speed, then the defender is responsible for the contact. It doesn't matter how much the defender is moving...if they are moving towards the opponent, they are not legal.

Thanks for pointing this out. I understand, I was just explaining that in this particular case the fact that the offensive player seems to be responsible for 95% of the contact would make it difficult to call that a block live. Great excercise though.

Camron Rust Tue Dec 18, 2012 04:00pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by ballgame99 (Post 867556)
Thanks for pointing this out. I understand, I was just explaining that in this particular case the fact that the offensive player seems to be responsible for 95% of the contact would make it difficult to call that a block live. Great excercise though.

This is a perfect example of refereeing the defense. When doing so, an official can see the defender's movement (or lack thereof). If the official does that, then that they will know everything they need to know when/if there is a collision. The offensive player's movement is legal or not solely based on what the defender is doing.


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