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BillyMac Tue Dec 04, 2012 09:52am

The Infamous One Person Game ...
 
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Originally Posted by stir22 (Post 864857)
Don't ask the kids,"okay, who touched it last?"

The only time that this technique could be used is in a one person game, and if you officiate long enough, you will eventually work a one person game. Most of the time the kids are pretty honest and the game is better without a bunch of extra alternating possession situations.

The_Rookie Tue Dec 04, 2012 10:20am

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Originally Posted by bob jenkins (Post 864596)
Really? then please provide some examples, because I don't see that (and don't recall it from my early years of officiating)

(Note that I'm not saying you are wrong -- just that with specific examples we might be able to give additional specific advice in addition to the good general advice already contained in this thread.)

Hi Bob...

I have experienced being questioned often OOB calls from middle school games to JV level and summer rec too. Especially when its under the basket and goes out on the endline in tight quarters.

That was off white's shoe or black touched it last..etc

Freddy Tue Dec 04, 2012 10:22am

Use Judiciaously and Sparingly . . .
 
Don't do this all the time. In fact, don't do this if you don't have to. Shucks, don't even do it.
At the risk of getting thoroughly lambasted, for which I'm ready, consider this . . .
Oftentimes the players themselves know who knocked the ball OOB. Just a brief pause to allow a slight, furtive glance at the players' reactions can give away what the correct call would be.
Note well: I'm not saying do this. But it seems to hold true the very few times I experimented with it. Or, I mean, I read about it somewhere. Or, I mean, BillyMac told me he did this all the time. :D

Scrapper1 Tue Dec 04, 2012 10:25am

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Originally Posted by Adam (Post 864565)
I was standing in his coaching box

Whose coaching box?? :D

Adam Tue Dec 04, 2012 10:30am

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Originally Posted by Scrapper1 (Post 864866)
Whose coaching box?? :D

:)

I knew someone would say something, I only used "his" to indicate which box I was in.

Raymond Tue Dec 04, 2012 10:33am

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Originally Posted by The_Rookie (Post 864863)
Hi Bob...

I have experienced being questioned often OOB calls from middle school games to JV level and summer rec too. Especially when its under the basket and goes out on the endline in tight quarters.

That was off white's shoe or black touched it last..etc

If you are consistently getting comments about your OOB calls then I would say it may have something to do with the confidence you exude during these calls. You can't be hesitant with your whistle, it stills need to be immediate even if you still have information to process. When you do finally yell out a color there needs to be authority in your voice.

And finally, make it clear you are not entertaining any comments on the call. Get the ball immediately back into play.

Adam Tue Dec 04, 2012 10:35am

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Originally Posted by BadNewsRef (Post 864870)
If you are consistently getting comments about your OOB calls then I would say it may have something to do with the confidence you exude during these calls. You can't be hesitant with your whistle, it stills need to be immediate even if you still have information to process. When you do finally yell out a color there needs to be authority in your voice.

And finally, make it clear you are not entertaining any comments on the call. Get the ball immediately back into play.

Yep.

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Originally Posted by Adam (Post 864559)
Sell it.


Scrapper1 Tue Dec 04, 2012 10:41am

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Originally Posted by Adam (Post 864868)
:)

I knew someone would say something, I only used "his" to indicate which box I was in.

I tell new guys, "It's not his box. It's MY box. I let him use it if he behaves."

Adam Tue Dec 04, 2012 10:55am

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Originally Posted by Scrapper1 (Post 864873)
I tell new guys, "It's not his box. It's MY box. I let him use it if he behaves."

I always refer to it as "the coaching box" for the same reason.

ballgame99 Wed Dec 05, 2012 11:23am

I've gotten in the habit of saying "off red, white ball", my last few games I decided I was just going to say "white ball", but I fell back into my old habit. Does it matter as long as you are definitive with the call and signal?

bob jenkins Wed Dec 05, 2012 11:30am

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Originally Posted by ballgame99 (Post 865063)
I've gotten in the habit of saying "off red, white ball", my last few games I decided I was just going to say "white ball", but I fell back into my old habit. Does it matter as long as you are definitive with the call and signal?

IMO, Yes.

Too often, people won't hear the first word "off" and it will then sound like you are changing you mind.

Plus, if it's white's ball, then it must have been "off red'. So, it's just redundant. Saying less is saying more.

OKREF Wed Dec 05, 2012 11:31am

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Originally Posted by ballgame99 (Post 865063)
I've gotten in the habit of saying "off red, white ball", my last few games I decided I was just going to say "white ball", but I fell back into my old habit. Does it matter as long as you are definitive with the call and signal?

I had a habit of this also. The last camp I went to, I was told to just say red ball and point in the direction.

constable Wed Dec 05, 2012 12:02pm

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Originally Posted by OKREF (Post 865066)
I had a habit of this also. The last camp I went to, I was told to just say red ball and point in the direction.


More is less.

Give the colour and the direction. If clarification is needed then offer it.

Raymond Wed Dec 05, 2012 03:43pm

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Originally Posted by ballgame99 (Post 865063)
I've gotten in the habit of saying "off red, white ball", my last few games I decided I was just going to say "white ball", but I fell back into my old habit. Does it matter as long as you are definitive with the call and signal?

Yes it makes a difference....what is the purpose of saying "off red", isn't "white ball" telling us the same information?

Say "white ball" first, if further info is needed THEN say "off red 32/"hit red's foot/etc".

zm1283 Wed Dec 05, 2012 03:47pm

I don't say "ball", just "red" or "white" and point.


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