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26 Year Gap Sun Dec 02, 2012 07:13am

I have an easy call on the defender who did not have LGP moving into the shooter.

rockyroad Sun Dec 02, 2012 11:13am

Why in the world is the L making that call on a three point shot???

Zoochy Sun Dec 02, 2012 11:20am

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Originally Posted by rockyroad (Post 864488)
Why in the world is the L making that call on a three point shot???

Dang it. rockyroad was reading my mind. That was the 1st thing I though. Why is lead looking there? That's is why they pay him the big bucks and I am doing lower level High School games.

BktBallRef Sun Dec 02, 2012 11:35am

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Originally Posted by Camron Rust (Post 864480)
Possibly.....the ball that is being shot is often at the end of those arm.


How the hell is an arm that's extended out holding a ball that's already been shot???????

JRutledge Sun Dec 02, 2012 11:37am

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Originally Posted by rockyroad (Post 864488)
Why in the world is the L making that call on a three point shot???

Because the Lead is asked to take a look at those plays right in front of them. And many supervisors want the lead to make sure from their angle are not getting hit on the shot at the NCAA Men's level.

Peace

rockyroad Sun Dec 02, 2012 01:12pm

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Originally Posted by JRutledge (Post 864494)
Because the Lead is asked to take a look at those plays right in front of them. And many supervisors want the lead to make sure from their angle are not getting hit on the shot at the NCAA Men's level.

Peace

That wasn't right in front of him...he moved out there and took that play for no valid reason.

JRutledge Sun Dec 02, 2012 02:10pm

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Originally Posted by rockyroad (Post 864511)
That wasn't right in front of him...he moved out there and took that play for no valid reason.

You are missing the point. It happen right on the end line and if he is positioned properly anyway, that is where he would be located. That is the way it is taught. Now you can disagree and that is fine, but just stating what is taught and expected at that level. In the HS game this is not the case often, but there are many that suggest the Lead should be there to take a peak on a shooter near the end line. Part of the logic is if the player gets fouled, who are they going to say should have seen the contact?

Peace

Camron Rust Sun Dec 02, 2012 03:04pm

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Originally Posted by BktBallRef (Post 864493)
How the hell is an arm that's extended out holding a ball that's already been shot???????

Where did anyone say the ball was necessarily already shot? It may have been, but I've see the action being talked about just as much while the shooter still has the ball.

Tio Mon Dec 03, 2012 09:58am

Why on earth does the lead have a whistle on this play? If he is watching the shooter, who has eyes in the post?

rockyroad Mon Dec 03, 2012 11:22am

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Originally Posted by JRutledge (Post 864518)
You are missing the point. It happen right on the end line and if he is positioned properly anyway, that is where he would be located. That is the way it is taught. Now you can disagree and that is fine, but just stating what is taught and expected at that level. In the HS game this is not the case often, but there are many that suggest the Lead should be there to take a peak on a shooter near the end line. Part of the logic is if the player gets fouled, who are they going to say should have seen the contact?

Peace

Gonna have to disagree here...this was an end line throw-in, and the L was inside the thrower...as soon as the ball was thrown in, the L started walking toward the shooter, and made the call from a horrible position. I understand that if the L was already in "wide angle" ( if it is still called that) that he could take a look at the play to help out. This L completely left his PCA and went out there and made a questionable call out of his area. And that seems to happen a lot in NCAA Men's coverage. Jmo...

tomegun Mon Dec 03, 2012 11:49am

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Originally Posted by jrutledge (Post 864518)
you are missing the point. It happen right on the end line and if he is positioned properly anyway, that is where he would be located. That is the way it is taught. Now you can disagree and that is fine, but just stating what is taught and expected at that level. In the hs game this is not the case often, but there are many that suggest the lead should be there to take a peak on a shooter near the end line. Part of the logic is if the player gets fouled, who are they going to say should have seen the contact?

peace

+1

JRutledge Mon Dec 03, 2012 11:51am

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Originally Posted by rockyroad (Post 864622)
Gonna have to disagree here...this was an end line throw-in, and the L was inside the thrower...as soon as the ball was thrown in, the L started walking toward the shooter, and made the call from a horrible position. I understand that if the L was already in "wide angle" ( if it is still called that) that he could take a look at the play to help out. This L completely left his PCA and went out there and made a questionable call out of his area. And that seems to happen a lot in NCAA Men's coverage. Jmo...

Well you can disagree, but I am telling you what is being taught and instructed to do. It is considered the secondary coverage of the Lead by many. I got to enough of those camps to know what I have been told by guys you actually see on TV. I first heard this by a guy that won the darn Official of the Year Award recently. And if I had not seen this called a few times I would not have believed how wide spread this is practices. And it is not necessary to completely leave your primary to make these calls either. But I do not see why this is such a big deal, this would be in the PCA of a Woman's Official's Lead.

Peace

rockyroad Mon Dec 03, 2012 05:50pm

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Originally Posted by JRutledge (Post 864631)
Well you can disagree, but I am telling you what is being taught and instructed to do. It is considered the secondary coverage of the Lead by many. I got to enough of those camps to know what I have been told by guys you actually see on TV. I first heard this by a guy that won the darn Official of the Year Award recently. And if I had not seen this called a few times I would not have believed how wide spread this is practices. And it is not necessary to completely leave your primary to make these calls either. But I do not see why this is such a big deal, this would be in the PCA of a Woman's Official's Lead.

Peace

Two points and then I will move on...

1) Of course it would be the L's call in an NCAA-W game...it would be in the L's PCA...and the L would have been on the outside of the thrower, not the inside like the L was in this game.

2) The L DID leave his primary...he completely ignored the two players at the elbow and the thrower and defender who went cutting across the key. He turned almost sideways and walked out toward the shooter. And there was no reason for him to do that as the T would have had that play.

JRutledge Mon Dec 03, 2012 06:04pm

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Originally Posted by rockyroad (Post 864711)
Two points and then I will move on...

1) Of course it would be the L's call in an NCAA-W game...it would be in the L's PCA...and the L would have been on the outside of the thrower, not the inside like the L was in this game.

2) The L DID leave his primary...he completely ignored the two players at the elbow and the thrower and defender who went cutting across the key. He turned almost sideways and walked out toward the shooter. And there was no reason for him to do that as the T would have had that play.

All I am telling you is what is taught and accepted. I did not say I agreed with it or that it should have been done in this particular play. You asked a question and I answered it based on my experience going to camps. And that is the reason he took a peak at that play and eventually made a call. Not sure why that was hard to understand? Oh well.

Peace


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