non-shooters on free throw
 

Have had two partners (Varsity officials) recently move non-shooters on a free throw who are standing outside the 3 pt arc and just above the free throw line extended to a position above the top of the key. Did I miss a rule change?

No.

No, sir.

8-1-5 is still the same.

Ask them to show you the rule reference. If you're not comfortable with them, blame a skeptical "friend."

Did you leave your book at home also? :)

I recently had a veteran official during FTs for an INT foul, move non-shooters to beyond half-court. :mad:

When someone in a game tells you something that seems suspect, I would check the rule book as soon as possible after the game.

Correct would have been anything outside the field of vision of the FT shooter, right? 8-1-3 "... shall not occupy any spaces along the free-throw lane."

I've had officials constantly push them behind half court as well...

wrong.

Above the FT line extended and beyond the 3-point line.

That's what was intended by outside the field of vision.

Why
 

One practical way to think about it:
Free throws with the lane vacated seems to be a time used by coaches to gather his players in front of the bench for a quick meeting. Nothing at all wrong with that. But that's a right both coaches deserve.
Those who require all players to move beyond the division line deprive one of the coaches of this opportunity. And if it's the first half and the intentional foul involved one of his players, I want to give him the opportunity to speak to him in this brief stoppage in play.
Make sense?

There is no rule which says that they must be behind the half court line, it is something we do. Just seems to settle every thing down, with the non administrating official watching these players to make sure nothing goes on.

I'm not going to direct players there...I have no authority to do so, but if they all want to congregate there without my input? I won't say anything...but I have had coaches want to talk to their players and had partners try to direct them back above halfcourt.

I ageree. If a coach wants to talk to his players he should be allowed to, I wouldn't make them move to the backcourt.

So this is a common practice where you work?

I never direct them, but I don't stop them either. I just make sure they are all where non-lane players need to be by rule.

For most people, I think you could meet the requirements of the rule and still be in the field of vision.

For some, you could violate the rule and not be in the field of vision.

Yes. If we have a T, we get the shooter, tell the players to simply get back. One official administers the free throws while the other is watching the other 9 players. If we have a T, most likely tension is high. Also we make sure the official who called the T will be throwing the ball in at half court, so they are away from the table/bench side after we resume/

BNR is asking if it's common practice to direct the players to halfcourt like you implied it was in your area.

Yes it is.

How do you support your direction to the players? What if the coach wants to talk to them?

Guess if the coaches aren't complaining then it's not a problem. Just wondering what happens if you get a coach who calls his players over to him and his bench is in the front court during the free throws?

Already addressed this. This has never been an issue. I haver never once had a coach complain about this, or ever seen a coach complain about this. Like I said, if he wants to talk or keep his players and talk to them so be it. They just have to be legal.

We allow it, as long as they are above the free throw line extended, outside the 3 point line.

I understand tensions may be high after a T, but we should be calmer at these times. What if a coach wants to ask you about his/her player...what they did/said to get a T? I will be the first to show my coach my backside if the T is on the coach, but if it on a player I don't mind sticking around to talk to the coach.

This happened last night. I gave a kid a T in the first half and stayed right in front of the coach. He had already asked me what the kid did and I told him. He was talking to his players in front of his bench too. They were fine so I didn't have to move them.

From what you posted is it correct to say you do two-man?

I do both. The only classes in OK that re 3-man are 5A and 6A. Sure, if the coach wants to talk to him, by all means we stay and talk. This is not a set in stone mechanic. Just something we do here.

So you decide at the time? We stay table side if the T is on a player and go across if it is on a coach. The thought process (I always think logical process) is we should be able to communicate the offense with another adult...unless that adult is the offender. If the adult is the offender, giving some time and space will allow things to calm...in most cases. If they don't calm and the coach goes after an official across the court? That is an easy second T.

Right on. If it is on the coach, we try to get the calling official away, by doing this it cuts down the chances the coach gets another T. Unless he wants to talk to him about the T.

Calling official stays and talks to coach during the free throws, and goes cross court for the inbound.

Hey Chris Whitten ...
 

... have your partners call the Mythbusters:

Players, other than the shooter, and the players in the designated lane spaces, are to remain behind the free throw line extended and behind the three point arc, and may not penetrate the free throw line extended and the three point arc until the ball hits rim or backboard. During a free throw, no opponent, including bench personnel, may disconcert the free thrower. For free throws when there are no rebounders in the marked lane spaces, i.e. technical fouls and intentional fouls, the nine nonshooters shall remain behind the free throw line extended and behind the three point arc.

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