Player's Uniforms
 

Which statement regarding player's numbers in the scorebook at ten minutes before game starting time is true?

a) Both 0 and 00 can be worn during the game.
b) Players with identical numbers result in a technical foul
c) Incorrect number in score book can be changed without penalty
d) all of the above

I said C because 3-2-2 says "after the 10 minutes..."

However, according to the key, that's incorrect which makes B the correct
answer.

Your thoughts?

I would say they mean at the 10 minute mark, when your supposed to have the book finished, which would actually be after the 10 minute mark or however you want to say it, but both would mean the same thing. So I would go with B also.

What's the rule reference for B? I need to look, but my first thought was it's just something that's not allowed.

10-1-2e

10-1-2c

If both 0 and 00 are listed in the book, then one of them must be changed in order to comply with 3-4-3d.

Since you're past the 10 minute mark, changing a team member's or player's number is a team technical.

That's where I have a problem. It doesn't say we are past the ten minute mark (then I would totally agree it's B); however, it says we are at the ten minute mark.

I would pick B, but you make a good point about "at" versus "after".
I did not notice that detail.
There is an art to test question writing!

By the way... I sent this to NV late last night via e-mail. I appreciate your late response, NV!

Seems like too much of a stretch for a test question, IMO.

I disagree that the distinction between "at" and "after" is relevant. If the clock shows 10:00, then the "10 minute time limit" specified by 10-1-1 and 10-1-2 has elapsed.


+1

NFHS has been known to "stretch."

I disagree. At least 10 minutes >= 10 minutes

If it's discovered at 10:00, is it going to be corrected before 9:59?

Probably not...but that's not the question. :)

I think we can feel rather confident that the correct answer to the question does not hinge on the difference between 10:00.000000000000 and the next femtosecond. The question is talking about things the official notices AT the 10:00 mark, when they are supposed to check these things, which is also the moment things must be set by. If they are wrong AT THAT MOMENT, they are wrong according to the rule that they are testing.

So at the 10 minute mark Coach A tells you he wants #55 to start instead of #23 -- you are not going to allow it without penalty?

Right. Now count down from 20:00.

Ok. :confused: Keep going... I'm a pudding head so I'm slow. ;)

If you count down the 10 minute time limit from 20:00, that's going to expire when it ticks from 10:01 to 10:00.

So if you're at 10:00, the time limit has already expired.

Not necessarily.

And, not relevant to any (basketball) rule.

Yeah-huh.

(That's an invitation to offer an argument rather than a mere denial.)

For most clocks, setting the clock to 20:00 is 20:00.000000

Thr first instance of changing from 10:01 to 10:00 is really 10:00.9999999

I think the relevance part is up to you to prove.

I Thought That You Guys Could Use This ...
 

The official U.S. time - clock

It's accurate to within 0.2 seconds. If you guys need a higher degree of accuracy, as I think that you do, then go to the National Institute of Standards and Technology, or the U. S. Naval Observatory.

If the clock is at 10:00.9999999 (whatever it's displaying), then it is not at 10:00. Once it reaches, 10:00, the 10 minute time limit has expired.

The rule specifies the 10 minute time limit. That's the rule we're talking about, so it's relevant.

Maybe, but "reaching 10:00" is not the same as "ticking from 10:01 to 10:00" as you said before.

Bob, you're not normally one to split hairs. Why so particular on this one? It isn't like it is a shot getting released at the buzzer.

I can't imagine anyone (much less you) being so hard nosed in a game that they'll T the coach if the piece of paper with the player's numbers and names doesn't make contact with the scorer's table until 9:59 or some fraction of a second around 10:00.

I think (but maybe I'm wrong) that Maven is the one splitting hairs. I'm just responding to his (in my view) incorrect statement on what heppens when a clokc first changes from 10:01 to 10:00.

I agree it probably doesn't matter (to me) in this case, but it can matter if we use the clock to judge 10 seconds or if the clock shows 0:00 (no tenths) and the horn hasn't sounded, etc.

Older style clocks that did not register tenths of seconds did not have the horn go off the instant it went from :01 to :00. I think that is Bob's point.

Except that I would add "SOME clocks ...."