Making Coach sit
 

Working with new partner last night and HC getting a bit unruly with him, partner talks with HC and he sits down. Partner comes to me at next timeout and says he told the coach to sit down for the rest of the game or he would be ejected.

Question: Is this a method one should use or stick to more conventional method --- warn , T , etc...

I normally warn coach then if needed administer T (which seatbelts him in my area ) never really told coach to "sit down or else". I have told them I've heard enough but never "sit them down" ??

BTW my partner was great to work with and the coach did settle down.

Thanks

It's NEVER good to make threats IMO

Warn and then "T"

-Josh

No that's not the correct method to use. What happens if the coach decides to stand up and use his box legally? How is he going to eject a coach for doing nothing wrong? How will you write/report that to your assignor and/or state? There are other tools, that are well within our means of authority, to calm a coach down.

I have no problem with a threat, I have a problem with the wording. Threats can be implied by using better language. You can say the same thing without using the word "ejected." You can make it clear to a coach or player that their behavior is unacceptable and if it continues you might leave me with little choices. If you make any comment about being penalized you are making a threat IMO. It just might be implied instead of explicit.

Peace

By The Book ...
 

Charge the coach with a technical foul and then he sits (with legal exceptions). No other way, by rule, to get him to sit. If you follow the rules the phone call you get that night from your assigning commissioner will be a lot easier to answer.

Thanks for the feedback.

I agree with you, but BillyMac's answer is the best one -- if you want a coach to sit, you gotta call a technical foul. That will sit him down -- anything else is really outside the rules.

I can't believe you put that in writing and THEN posted it! :rolleyes:

Can I Get Rich's Post Bronzed ???
 

I was not disagreeing with Billy really, just stating that we threaten all the time but we try to act like that is not what we call certain types of comments. Anytime we give a warning we are on some level threatening them with something no matter how blatant the comments can be seen by those receiving them.

Peace

I really don't like painting myself into a corner like the OP. It's putting you into the likely position of either having to lose your credibility or toss a coach for coaching his kids legally.

Seen at last year's
 

state or semi-state game (as told to me). Old Lead going into new Trail ready to inbound ball on baseline. Holds ball. Takes 3 steps onto court and looks directly at HC (former state champion coach), points down in his/her direction and says only, calmly but sternly, "Box." Takes three steps back and put ball in play.

Coach, and everyone watching, got the message.

You two are almost saying the same thing, with one caveat.

If you're going to threaten (warn, whatever), it better be supported by rule. If you tell a coach - "If you keep doing X, I'm going to do Y", then you better have rule support for preventing him from doing X, and Y better be the appropriate penalty.

The problem in the OP is that this is not the case. X is not something you can tell a coach to stop unless you issue the T first.

Essentially, OP has issued a T without it counting toward his 2, and without awarding free throws. The OP landed in no-man's land. There's no such thing as half a T.

Be nice...until it is time not to be nice.

One of my friends, and partner last night, told the coach to get back in his box last night. The game was stopped to do this and it became a big production. As the crew chief (we have crews - the association is basically divided by ten) this is something I do not endorse.

One of the officials in the game before mine (also on my crew) ran by a coach and said, "If you do_______again, I'm going to hit you with a T." The coach heard, "If you do_______again, I'm going to hit you." Poor choice of words for sure.

In both situations I would ask the coach a question that would likely start with "Please".

Be nice...until it is time not to be nice.
RIP Patrick Swayze

His name is Dalton

;)

I know that my way of dealing with a coach at any level is to walk him back and say something like, "Could you please work with me and stay in the coaching box" or something non-threatening...if I need to deal with it later, I will, but it's not my goal to be antagonistic. I will be when the need arises, but my goal is to avoid (and hopefully keep the coach from) going from 0 to Defcon 5 in a short period of time.

Warning Will Robinson ..
 

Keep in mind that once a coach is "seat belted" for a technical foul (one direct, or one indirect) then we may have to go into a warning mode if he is doing more standing than what he is legally allowed to do by rule (request a time-out or signal his/her players to request a time-out; to confer with personnel at the scorer’s table to request a time-out for correctable error, or a timing, scoring, or alternating-possession mistake be prevented, or rectified; to replace or remove a disqualified/injured player or player directed to leave the game; during a charged time-out, or the intermission between quarters and extra periods; to spontaneously react to an outstanding play by a team member or to acknowledge a replaced player.

I knew I shouldn't post in the thread today. I sat a coach down the old fashioned way tonight. Sigh.

I still have a hard time deciding when to talk to coaches and when to ignore them. Does anyone have any advice on how much time should be spent talking to coaches, when is the best time, and how to decide whether or not talk to them at all? I do't want to interrupt the flow of the game, but I also don't want coaches legitimate questions to go unanswered.

This is not a smart strategy at all.

First off, the coach by rule, has the right to use the coaching box. You can't eject him for simply standing and coaching. In HS, a technical foul results in loss of the coaching box privilege but in NCAA, the coach can still use the box after a technical foul.

Either way, threatening a coach in this regard is never a good thing. It sounds like he went too far and should have received a tech.

Thought you would be bigger.

Generally speaking, don't respond to statements. If there's a question, I'll answer it.
If they're making a statement, I generally react in one of three ways:
1) ignore it
2) say to them, "Coach, can I answer a question for you?"
3) go ahead and acknowledge that you've heard them. I'll sometimes say, "I hear ya, coach." That way they know their message has been delivered and received. It'll keep 'em quiet (for the moment, anyway) because they know you've heard them and they don't have to repeat themselves.

When answering a question, make the response as short as possible. Use rules book phraseology (is that a word?) without reciting the rules book. (i.e.: "He didn't give the defender time and distance, coach.") Avoid using terminology which perpetuates myths. (i.e.: "His feet weren't set, coach.")

If you give quick answers, you'll be able to respond to coaches within the flow of the game. During it, even.

Most legitimate questions can be answered in 5 words or less. I'm thinking that's not the problem. It's the follow-up comments from the coaches that are extending your conversations.