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jeremy341a Thu Nov 15, 2012 03:50pm

Free Throw Question
 
Is it a violation if on a free throw while the ball is in flight a player jumps from a lane space and is above the lane however does not land in the lane until after the ball hits the rim?
What if the player is behind the 3 point line and runs and jumps while the free throw is in flight but the jumper does not land until after the ball touches the rim?

I think it is a violation due to 9-1-3g in the 1st case and 9-1-3e in the second case bc they have broken the plane. Do the players have to touch in the lane or is mearly breaking the plane with their foot enough for a violation?

deecee Thu Nov 15, 2012 03:56pm

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Originally Posted by jeremy341a (Post 862303)
Is it a violation if on a free throw while the ball is in flight a player jumps from a lane space and is above the lane however does not land in the lane until after the ball hits the rim?
What if the player is behind the 3 point line and runs and jumps while the free throw is in flight but the jumper does not land until after the ball touches the rim?

I think it is a violation due to 9-1-3g in the 1st case and 9-1-3e in the second case bc they have broken the plane. Do the players have to touch in the lane or is mearly breaking the plane with their foot enough for a violation?

If they can do this from behind the 3-point arc and grab the ball in the air and dunk it. I'll let it go and award them 3 points for pure awesomeness!!

other than that violation.

jeremy341a Thu Nov 15, 2012 04:00pm

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Originally Posted by deecee (Post 862305)
If they can do this from behind the 3-point arc and grab the ball in the air and dunk it. I'll let it go and award them 3 points for pure awesomeness!!

other than that violation.

That seems more than fair! :D

bob jenkins Thu Nov 15, 2012 04:02pm

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Originally Posted by jeremy341a (Post 862303)
Is it a violation if on a free throw while the ball is in flight a player jumps from a lane space and is above the lane however does not land in the lane until after the ball hits the rim?
What if the player is behind the 3 point line and runs and jumps while the free throw is in flight but the jumper does not land until after the ball touches the rim?

I think it is a violation due to 9-1-3g in the 1st case and 9-1-3e in the second case bc they have broken the plane. Do the players have to touch in the lane or is mearly breaking the plane with their foot enough for a violation?

You've read the rule and it clearly says "breaking the plane."

(Now, how strictly it's called will vary by area)

jeremy341a Thu Nov 15, 2012 04:06pm

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Originally Posted by bob jenkins (Post 862308)
You've read the rule and it clearly says "breaking the plane."

(Now, how strictly it's called will vary by area)

I wanted to make sure I was thinking correctly as I have never seen it called just for breaking the plane.

Thanks everyone!

Camron Rust Fri Nov 16, 2012 12:26am

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Originally Posted by bob jenkins (Post 862308)
You've read the rule and it clearly says "breaking the plane."

(Now, how strictly it's called will vary by area)

Additionally, it is only breaking the plane with the FEET. Even though some people try to claim that the arms can't be out of the players lane space, the rules do not restrict the arms as long as they do not touch the floor outside of their lane space.

bob jenkins Fri Nov 16, 2012 08:07am

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Originally Posted by Camron Rust (Post 862368)
Additionally, it is only breaking the plane with the FEET. Even though some people try to claim that the arms can't be out of the players lane space, the rules do not restrict the arms as long as they do not touch the floor outside of their lane space.

Correct, or touching the floor (outside the space) with any body part (usually the hands in the lnae as the player loses his / her balance).

And, I think there's an "official NFHS" slide this year that seems to indicate that any contact across the neutral space is a foul. :(

PG_Ref Fri Nov 16, 2012 09:17am

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Originally Posted by bob jenkins (Post 862383)
Correct, or touching the floor (outside the space) with any body part (usually the hands in the lnae as the player loses his / her balance).

And, I think there's an "official NFHS" slide this year that seems to indicate that any contact across the neutral space is a foul. :(

Points of emphasis 4

4. Guidelines to enforce illegal contact. Escalating fight situations can often be traced back to illegal contact not being properly enforced and penalized. Examples of illegal contact are:

c. Rebounding. Any activity to illegally gain rebounding position on an opponent.
Examples of illegal rebounding activity.


5) Contact between players in free-throw lane spaces prior to the ball contacting the ring.

a. It is illegal to physically contact an opponent prior to the ball legally contacting the ring.

jeschmit Fri Nov 16, 2012 09:25am

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Originally Posted by PG_Ref (Post 862397)
Points of emphasis 4

4. Guidelines to enforce illegal contact. Escalating fight situations can often be traced back to illegal contact not being properly enforced and penalized. Examples of illegal contact are:

c. Rebounding. Any activity to illegally gain rebounding position on an opponent.
Examples of illegal rebounding activity.


5) Contact between players in free-throw lane spaces prior to the ball contacting the ring.

a. It is illegal to physically contact an opponent prior to the ball legally contacting the ring.

Are there any separate rules about contacting the free throw shooter before the ball contacts the rim? Or is the shooter under the same provisions as the players in the lane marked spaces?

I had a coach ask me about this last night, and I couldn't think of anything that separates the rules for contact on the shooter and the rules for players on the lane.

muxbule Fri Nov 16, 2012 09:33am

A little confused by your question. If players along the lane cannot break the plane until the ball makes contact with the rim how can a player contact the shooter prior to that?

jeschmit Fri Nov 16, 2012 09:40am

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Originally Posted by muxbule (Post 862399)
A little confused by your question. If players along the lane cannot break the plane until the ball makes contact with the rim how can a player contact the shooter prior to that?

My apologies... I meant to say after the ball contacts the rim... Does the shooter have different provisions (in regards to contact) when the rebounding action takes place?

bob jenkins Fri Nov 16, 2012 10:02am

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Originally Posted by jeschmit (Post 862400)
My apologies... I meant to say after the ball contacts the rim... Does the shooter have different provisions (in regards to contact) when the rebounding action takes place?

No differnent provisions, but some teams like to block oout the shooter harder than is needed.

CMHCoachNRef Fri Nov 16, 2012 10:15am

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Originally Posted by bob jenkins (Post 862403)
No different provisions, but some teams like to block out the shooter harder than is needed.

Which is why ALL players have to wait until the ball hits, now....:mad:

Smitty Fri Nov 16, 2012 10:42am

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Originally Posted by CMHCoachNRef (Post 862407)
Which is why ALL players have to wait until the ball hits, now....:mad:

When was this not the case?

CMHCoachNRef Fri Nov 16, 2012 11:38am

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Originally Posted by Smitty (Post 862409)
When was this not the case?

Smitty,
I don't remember the exact year. I do remember that in the late 1980s, you could move on the release -- we had "plays" including setting screens across the lane and up the lane back in the day.

Initially, the changed the rule to indicate that a defender could not "break the plane" of the free throw line to "box out" the shooter. A year or two later, the rule changed to prevent anyone from going into the lane.

If I were to guess, I am thinking that the rule changed in the early to mid 1990s.

Allegedly, the origin of the rule change was that a couple of HS female players sustained torn ACL's as FT Shooters. Today, it makes NO SENSE to me that we are only concerned about "rough play" on rebounds when the shot is taken from 15 feet from the basket, directly in front of the basket with no defensive pressure. I was fine with the "free throw plane" issue -- no different than a jump shooter being undercut even though most FT shooters don't jump.


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