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Referee911 Thu Nov 15, 2012 01:47pm

Once in lifetime I'm sure
 
Really saw this. Varsity Girls.

Ball inbound after made basket. Full court pressure. Dribbler fires pass across court - hits rim (accidentally) and it bounces back to her, and off she went again.

Hummm -- not a legitimate try , its not her basket.....
Walking? Double dribble?

I was Center (3 man) and passed. Trail passed too.

Right call?

JugglingReferee Thu Nov 15, 2012 01:55pm

So she gave up her dribble, and then dribbled again? :eek:

APG Thu Nov 15, 2012 01:59pm

Illegal dribble

Sco53 Thu Nov 15, 2012 02:08pm

double dribble, 4.15.1 SITUATION C

billyu2 Thu Nov 15, 2012 02:21pm

maybe yes, maybe no
 
Depends if she caught the ball and then started a new dribble.

bob jenkins Thu Nov 15, 2012 02:22pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sco53 (Post 862281)
double dribble, 4.15.1 SITUATION C

In the case you cite, the ball hits the backboard. In the play in this thread, then ball hits the rim. By rule, that does make a difference (I think). The end result in the play in the thread might be the same, but the timing should be (slightly) different.

bob jenkins Thu Nov 15, 2012 02:23pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by billyu2 (Post 862286)
Depends if she caught the ball and then started a new dribble.

In the OP the "dribbler fires a pass." So, by my reading, the dribble had ended. Even if she didn't catch the ball, it's still a violation to dribble again.

jeremy341a Thu Nov 15, 2012 03:53pm

Wouldn't it be a violation the moment she touches it after it hits the rim since no one else touched it?

bob jenkins Thu Nov 15, 2012 04:04pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by jeremy341a (Post 862304)
Wouldn't it be a violation the moment she touches it after it hits the rim since no one else touched it?

Why (assuming she hadn't moved her pivot foot)?

jeremy341a Thu Nov 15, 2012 04:07pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by bob jenkins (Post 862310)
Why (assuming she hadn't moved her pivot foot)?


Won't the striking of the rim be her second dribble?

bainsey Thu Nov 15, 2012 04:10pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by bob jenkins (Post 862310)
Why (assuming she hadn't moved her pivot foot)?

*A-1 dribbles, then stops. (One dribble.)
*A-1 "fires the pass", hits B's rim, and catches the ball.

By rule, two dribbles, right?

bob jenkins Thu Nov 15, 2012 04:42pm

4-4-5 A ball which touches ... the backboard is treated the same as touching the floor inbounds.

1-7 an 1-10 define backboard and basket (which includes the ring) differently.

Maybe they mean them to be the same, but it's not what it says.

Of course, since a try ends when the ball touches the floor, and the backboard is the same as the floor, ... ;)

letemplay Thu Nov 15, 2012 04:47pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by bob jenkins (Post 862317)
4-4-5 A ball which touches ... the backboard is treated the same as touching the floor inbounds.

1-7 an 1-10 define backboard and basket (which includes the ring) differently.

Maybe they mean them to be the same, but it's not what it says.

Of course, since a try ends when the ball touches the floor, and the backboard is the same as the floor, ... ;)

Would it NOT be a try though since it is not her basket?

MD Longhorn Thu Nov 15, 2012 04:54pm

How many of this exact same conversation do we need? Bizarre.

Sco53 Thu Nov 15, 2012 04:55pm

I can understand the basket and backboard being separate entities in the frontcourt, but what could be the reasoning to do that with the backcourt? I have not been able to find a reference one way or the other.


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