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Kelvin green Sun Nov 11, 2012 11:05am

Inconsistency a second time
 
Reading the new interpretations


SITUATION 1: While A1's free throw is in flight, B1, in a marked lane space, enters the lane. A1's free throw hits the ring and bounces straight up and hits a wire over the basket or hits the ring and goes over the backboard. RULING: The official should sound the whistle and call a violation on B1. A1 is given a substitute free throw. (9-1-4 Penalty 2b)

Can someone tell me the rationale of this? I dont see how this is justifable under 9-1-4 where both teams violate... This is not marked lane space,not behind the free throw line/3pt lane, not disconcertion, and not faking...

The rule they quote is for violation by opponent only.... This makes no sense to me...

maven Sun Nov 11, 2012 11:09am

Hitting a wire or going over the backboard occur when there is no team possession, and hence we use the AP arrow. Instead, in this case we enforce the violation by B.

deecee Sun Nov 11, 2012 11:12am

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Originally Posted by maven (Post 861669)
Hitting a wire or going over the backboard occur when there is no team possession, and hence we use the AP arrow. Instead, in this case we enforce the violation by B.

Huh what??? this is by no means an AP throw in if there was no violation by B.

It is a violation to enter the lane before the FT hits the rim or backboard.

gslefeb Sun Nov 11, 2012 11:28am

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Originally Posted by Kelvin green (Post 861668)
Reading the new interpretations


Can someone tell me the rationale of this? I dont see how this is justifable under 9-1-4 where both teams violate... This is not marked lane space,not behind the free throw line/3pt lane, not disconcertion, and not faking...

The rule they quote is for violation by opponent only.... This makes no sense to me...


There is no violation by team A, hitting the wire ends the free throw and is not a violation. All team A did was miss the free throw, B's violation is then penalized.

maven Sun Nov 11, 2012 11:39am

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Originally Posted by gslefeb (Post 861671)
There is no violation by team A, hitting the wire ends the free throw and is not a violation. All team A did was miss the free throw, B's violation is then penalized.

This is what I meant to say — somehow I was thinking of a try instead of a FT. The point is: A did not violate, so this case would not fall under the rule covering when both teams violate.

deecee Sun Nov 11, 2012 11:51am

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Originally Posted by maven (Post 861672)
This is what I meant to say — somehow I was thinking of a try instead of a FT. The point is: A did not violate, so this case would not fall under the rule covering when both teams violate.

There is no difference on a try either. It would still NOT be an AP throw in.

APG Sun Nov 11, 2012 12:51pm

9-1-4 refers to free throw provisions violated by both teams. B1 violated by entering early while A1 never committed a free throw violation but rather an OOB violation.

Kelvin green Sun Nov 11, 2012 02:46pm

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Originally Posted by APG (Post 861679)
9-1-4 refers to free throw provisions violated by both teams. B1 violated by entering early while A1 never committed a free throw violation but rather an OOB violation.


Duh! Told you i was missing something... Thanks

BktBallRef Sun Nov 11, 2012 06:19pm

Team A hasn't violated.

When the ball hits the wire, the shot is missed. It's no different than if the FT had hit the rim and then bounced up and over the backboard.

Enforce the violation by B after the shot is missed.

Sharpshooternes Sun Nov 11, 2012 11:52pm

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Originally Posted by deecee (Post 861674)
There is no difference on a try either. It would still NOT be an AP throw in.

The wire and over the BB are considered out of bounds, correct? Thus whoever causes the ball to touch a wire, support or go over the backboard is in violation and the ball goes to the other team. It is not AP or am I missing something?

gslefeb Mon Nov 12, 2012 12:13am

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Originally Posted by Sharpshooternes (Post 861716)
The wire and over the BB are considered out of bounds, correct? Thus whoever causes the ball to touch a wire, support or go over the backboard is in violation and the ball goes to the other team. It is not AP or am I missing something?

It is an out of bounds violation and touching the wire makes the ball dead. It is not a free throw violation. Therefore, penalize only team B for their violation.

Sharpshooternes Mon Nov 12, 2012 12:25am

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Originally Posted by gslefeb (Post 861717)
It is an out of bounds violation and touching the wire makes the ball dead. It is not a free throw violation. Therefore, penalize only team B for their violation.

Should have been more clear. I meant on non FT tries.


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