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APG Wed Nov 07, 2012 12:57pm

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Originally Posted by hoopguy (Post 861290)

I know others are going to vehemently disagree with this but try finding and posting video of a situation where the player picks up his dribble with neither foot on the ground.

And I'm one of them...to say that it never happens in basketball is...well wrong IMO. You can see it happen during layups where the player is attempting it on the run. Also seen it plenty of times during jump stops.

BillyMac Wed Nov 07, 2012 01:01pm

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Originally Posted by APG (Post 861317)
To say that it never happens in basketball is, well wrong. You can see it happen layups where the player is attempting it on the run. Also seen it plenty of times during jump stops.

... especially in younger players when they try to shoot with their weak hand on the weak side, or even worse, when they shoot with their strong hand on the weak side. It usually looks really odd, but odd isn't always a traveling violation.

just another ref Wed Nov 07, 2012 06:53pm

Never say never, but I say that it is quite rare for a player to catch the ball ending a dribble with both feet off the ground. With the benefit of slow motion, I think a large majority of layups could be called a travel, but it is generally difficult to impossible to pinpoint the exact location of the feet when the dribble is ended, so, when in doubt,

let it go.

Having said that, tune in any college game, and you will see moves to the basket involving a spin or whatever, which are impossible to perform legally, yet go uncalled, I assume by design.

"If they're not gonna call it, they should change the rule." **

**Bob Knight

BillyMac Thu Nov 08, 2012 07:36am

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Originally Posted by just another ref (Post 861342)
It is generally difficult to impossible to pinpoint the exact location of the feet when the dribble is ended, so, when in doubt, let it go.

Bingo.

bob jenkins Thu Nov 08, 2012 08:48am

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Originally Posted by just another ref (Post 861342)
Having said that, tune in any college game, and you will see moves to the basket involving a spin or whatever, which are impossible to perform legally, yet go uncalled, I assume by design.

I wouldn't make that assumption.

Adam Thu Nov 08, 2012 08:58am

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Originally Posted by just another ref (Post 861342)
Never say never, but I say that it is quite rare for a player to catch the ball ending a dribble with both feet off the ground. With the benefit of slow motion, I think a large majority of layups could be called a travel

I couldn't disagree more.

legend Thu Nov 08, 2012 10:08am

the best way for anyone to get experience with what may or may not be a travel should work Jr Hi. girls games. Not being sexist here, they just don't seem to devolpe their coordination as quickly as boys do. You will see proably all of the examples already discussed in this thread. It definatly helps you get a grasp on what your looking for.

BillyMac Thu Nov 08, 2012 11:45am

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Originally Posted by legend (Post 861373)
work Jr Hi. girls games.

... and praise the Lord that that NFHS came up with the alternating possession arrow, and did away with almost all jump balls. I think that the NFHS did it just because of middle school girls games.

legend Thu Nov 08, 2012 12:30pm

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Originally Posted by BillyMac (Post 861379)
... and praise the Lord that that NFHS came up with the alternating possession arrow, and did away with almost all jump balls. I think that the NFHS did it just because of middle school girls games.


AMEN..Ha Ha Sounds like you also have done a few of these!

dsqrddgd909 Thu Nov 08, 2012 02:25pm

I have a girls middle school double header tonight. I'll try to post an estimate tomorrow of how many APs we had.

legend Fri Nov 09, 2012 07:47am

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Originally Posted by dsqrddgd909 (Post 861418)
I have a girls middle school double header tonight. I'll try to post an estimate tomorrow of how many APs we had.

I got the over / under at 15... I'll take the over in a double header.

dsqrddgd909 Fri Nov 09, 2012 09:08am

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Originally Posted by legend (Post 861497)
I got the over / under at 15... I'll take the over in a double header.

How much do I owe you? Girls A - first game = 4. Girls B - second game =20. Total 24.

Altor Fri Nov 09, 2012 09:24am

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Originally Posted by dsqrddgd909 (Post 861505)
How much do I owe you? Girls A - first game = 4. Girls B - second game =20. Total 24.

You call entirely too many simultaneous goal tending/basket interference violations. :p

Adam Fri Nov 09, 2012 09:59am

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Originally Posted by Altor (Post 861509)
You call entirely too many simultaneous goal tending/basket interference violations. :p

+1

Nice job of bringing it back on topic. :D

legend Fri Nov 09, 2012 10:38pm

True story...I was working a jr. hi. girls game with a 2nd (or 3rd yr) ref. At the time I was around the 10 yr. mark so he ask me if he can be the "R" for the 2 games. I say sure, great time to learn pre-game routine etc. So we decide to meet with coaches and captians and he starts off good, talking about sportsmanship and the neccessary issues, then he starts to go through a long diatribe covering points of emphasis and sure enough he covers goal tending / basket interference. BOTH coaches laugh and I try my best to get through the rest of his meeting with them. Great times!


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