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Rich Mon Oct 22, 2012 07:06pm
It amazes me how many officials look for a reason to avoid properly ejecting a coach who clearly deserves it.

Camron Rust Mon Oct 22, 2012 08:20pm
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Originally Posted by Rich (Post 859580)
It amazes me how many officials look for a reason to avoid properly ejecting a coach who clearly deserves it.
So, are you suggesting that you'd eject a coach who yells at you while waving their arms around but wouldn't if they only yelled at you?

Or would you eject a coach who took their jacket off while yelling at you but not just for either one alone?

Rich Mon Oct 22, 2012 08:30pm
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Originally Posted by Camron Rust (Post 859592)
So, are you suggesting that you'd eject a coach who yells at you while waving their arms around but wouldn't if they only yelled at you?

Or would you eject a coach who took their jacket off while yelling at you but not just for either one alone?
No, I'm saying that I'd eject a coach who had to be restrained, removed a coat, and threw it after receiving the first technical. And would lose no sleep over it.

rockyroad Mon Oct 22, 2012 09:08pm
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Originally Posted by BillyMac (Post 859567)
... for throwing the clothing on to the floor. In this case the clothing was thrown to an assistant coach. I don't have a horse in this race, just a point of fact.
Leave something out? The operative word in icallfouls post would be the "OR"...

rockyroad Mon Oct 22, 2012 09:11pm
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Originally Posted by Rich (Post 859594)
No, I'm saying that I'd eject a coach who had to be restrained, removed a coat, and threw it after receiving the first technical. And would lose no sleep over it.
+1!!!

And trying to get out of it by clinging to an argument as flimsy as it was all part of one action is just weak, IMO.

Camron Rust Mon Oct 22, 2012 11:13pm
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Originally Posted by Rich (Post 859594)
No, I'm saying that I'd eject a coach who had to be restrained, removed a coat, and threw it after receiving the first technical. And would lose no sleep over it.
SOunds good to me. Seems like we may have been talking past each other. That is not the situation I was necessarily thinking of.

BillyMac Tue Oct 23, 2012 06:53am
Removal ??? Toss ???
 
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Originally Posted by BadNewsRef (Post 859525)
Emphatically removing one’s coat in response to a call/no-call or throwing equipment or clothing on to the floor.
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Originally Posted by rockyroad (Post 859557)
By rule the jacket toss is considered a separate act...
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Originally Posted by BillyMac (Post 859567)
... for throwing the clothing on to the floor. In this case the clothing was thrown to an assistant coach. I don't have a horse in this race, just a point of fact.
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Originally Posted by rockyroad (Post 859595)
Leave something out? The operative word in icallfouls post would be the "OR"...
I was specifically referring to the toss, not the removal. According to the rule posted, removal can be charged with a technical, but a toss must be to the floor. Again, just a point of fact, not an opinion on the play.

Raymond Tue Oct 23, 2012 07:47am
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Originally Posted by BillyMac (Post 859620)
I was specifically referring to the toss, not the removal. According to the rule posted, removal can be charged with a technical, but a toss must be to the floor. Again, just a point of fact, not an opinion on the play.
You left off some important words:

"including, but not limited to"

Rich Tue Oct 23, 2012 08:11am
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Originally Posted by Camron Rust (Post 859605)
SOunds good to me. Seems like we may have been talking past each other. That is not the situation I was necessarily thinking of.
Isn't that the situation in the WNBA game, though?

JRutledge Tue Oct 23, 2012 09:52am
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Originally Posted by BadNewsRef (Post 859629)
You left off some important words:

"including, but not limited to"
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Originally Posted by Rich (Post 859633)
Isn't that the situation in the WNBA game, though?
I have seen NBA coaches get tossed for less.

Peace

Camron Rust Tue Oct 23, 2012 11:09am
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Originally Posted by Rich (Post 859633)
Isn't that the situation in the WNBA game, though?
I guess so. Some of my replies were more generic and not specifically about this specific example. That said, I had also watch the video at work without sound and didn't realize she had been T'd right at the very beginning of the video. I had focused on the middle of the video with the replay of the toss and the foul. I have now rewatched the video and realize when the original T occurred much earlier. Two T's are earned on that one.

MD Longhorn Tue Oct 23, 2012 11:18am
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Originally Posted by Camron Rust (Post 859605)
SOunds good to me. Seems like we may have been talking past each other. That is not the situation I was necessarily thinking of.
Are you still discussing the actual play? Or are you trying to say that in some hypothetical similar plays you may or may not dodge the ejection by deciding the coach's marionette show was all one show? The OP - the actual play on the actual court - it's clear cut that she should have been T'd up twice, even at the WNBA level, but most definitely so at any other level below that.

Raymond Tue Oct 23, 2012 11:55am
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Originally Posted by Camron Rust (Post 859700)
I guess so. Some of my replies were more generic and not specifically about this specific example. That said, I had also watch the video at work without sound and didn't realize she had been T'd right at the very beginning of the video. I had focused on the middle of the video with the replay of the toss and the foul. I have now rewatched the video and realize when the original T occurred much earlier. Two T's are earned on that one.
The first T in the video was for the player. Then the coach got T'd for her initial reaction.

Camron Rust Tue Oct 23, 2012 12:12pm
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Originally Posted by BadNewsRef (Post 859719)
The first T in the video was for the player. Then the coach got T'd for her initial reaction.
Yes, but they were both at the start...I didn't realized both were T'd up at the beginning...way before the jacket sequence.


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