Directives

[tref]

Originally Posted by Adam

Here's what I don't get.

Assuming the defender falls backwards, remaining in the shooter's path in which they were already established, what is he doing illegally that would warrant a blocking foul?

What you describe sounds like a defender falling backwards bracing for imminent contact AFTER obtaining LGP. Nothing illegal about that... I dont consider that a flop.

What I'm talking about is not obtaining LGP (usually a 2ndary defender) and laying down on the play to get a call.

Originally Posted by BadNewsRef

So did you want our opinions or do you think we should do what your supervisor tells you to do?.

Actually, I just asked if anybody else is hearing this directive across the country... but opinions are always welcomed

Originally Posted by BadNewsRef

Kinda missing the point of your last paragraph in regards to the subject.

It was in regards to the following:

Originally Posted by JugglingReferee

But to say that bodies down is always a whistle is bad advice.

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by tref

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Actually, I just asked if anybody else is hearing this directive across the country... but opinions are always welcomed

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Alright then, but I've been hearing people say that since my first days in officiating, so it's not something new, that's for sure. It's more a of "when in Rome..." type of deal that I'm sure most of the officials here do or don't do based on whom they are working for. It's safe to say most of the folks here who care enough about officiating that they discuss it online are getting better schedules every year.

[legend]

If the defender falls in the direct path of where the airborn shooter is potentially going to land, you have to protect the shooter. I call the block and go a step further. I warn the defender that if it continues to happen I will hit him with the "T". Keep in mind that a slow whistle is important here, you want to see the entire play before you blow it here. If the shooter lands safely to the floor its a great time to inform the defender that it's not going to happen again and this typically keeps him from doing it again.
As far as the unauthorized "get up" mechanic, I think its helpful so the coach atleast sees that you have seen the action and in your opinion nothing illegal happened. Sure he will tell you what he thinks but IMO it helps.

[Camron Rust]

Originally Posted by legend

If the defender falls in the direct path of where the airborn shooter is potentially going to land, you have to protect the shooter. I call the block and go a step further. I warn the defender that if it continues to happen I will hit him with the "T". Keep in mind that a slow whistle is important here, you want to see the entire play before you blow it here. If the shooter lands safely to the floor its a great time to inform the defender that it's not going to happen again and this typically keeps him from doing it again.
As far as the unauthorized "get up" mechanic, I think its helpful so the coach atleast sees that you have seen the action and in your opinion nothing illegal happened. Sure he will tell you what he thinks but IMO it helps.

If they fall INTO the path of the shooter, they probably don't have LGP and will have committed a block without regard to anything else.

If they fall IN the path of the shooter, from a position already in the path and away from the shooter and the shooter lands on them, the shooter would have landed on them anyway and the fall away only reduces the contact.

Don't use the get up mechanic. It looks horrible. Talk to them if you must, but not the get up waive.

[tref]

Originally Posted by Camron Rust

Don't use the get up mechanic. It looks horrible. Talk to them if you must, but not the get up waive.

Most definitely! IMO, that "mechanic" generally means, "ooops I got caught by surprise because I was watching the ball instead of the defender & I dont know what to call."

[Adam]

Originally Posted by tref

Most definitely! IMO, that "mechanic" generally means, "ooops I got caught by surprise because I was watching the ball instead of the defender & I dont know what to call."

It may look bad, but that's hardly what it means.

I never use it, I say it, along with "don't do that again."

Reserved for the obvious fakes.

[tref]

Originally Posted by Adam

It may look bad, but that's hardly what it means.

I never use it, I say it, along with "don't do that again."

Reserved for the obvious fakes.

After breaking down film of the games that I've worked, when a partner used it... 90% of the time when I pause the film just before the crash, their eyes were NOT on the defender. Their head/body is where the ball is (press play) the crash happens & their body language suggest uhhh-ohhh, followed by the get up mechanic.

When you know how to do it properly (not call validation) & what to look for (positioning, presence, believability) tape dont lie.

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by tref

Actually, I just asked if anybody else is hearing this directive across the country... but opinions are always welcomed

I have heard that line or statement for almost my entire career as well. I have never followed it and somehow I have done just fine. I do want to know how players get to the floor, but never call something just to make anyone happy. Most of the directives that I tend to get are usually surrounding codes of conduct of players or coaches and how the assignor will support you if you call a T. Almost never are we told to call a certain kind of foul stronger than the rules state or what is a POE. If you cannot officiate you will not get hired or stay hired in the first place. Guys around here tend to trust their staffs and your schedule reflects that trust.

Peace