Basketball Fight
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<iframe width="640" height="360" src="https://www.youtube.com/embed/NGXgR_c7JDI?feature=player_embedded" frameborder="0" allowfullscreen></iframe> How would you handle if you're the lead or center/slot? In the aftermath, how would you deal out punishment? |
Both the original two EJ for fighting.
One red EJ for leaving the bench and fighting. One red EJ for leaving the bench but not fighting. Two indirects to the red head coach. 4 FTs and the ball for white (I didn't see anyone in White leave the bench, and I assume all the others were either head coaches breaking up the fight, or "security"). |
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At the first sign of trouble, I am RUNNING right to it trying to get them apart. That wouldn't have prevented the initial crap but it may have prevented the rest. I think the C should have been more involved in breaking it up with the Trail standing back and keeping an eye on everything....the C was a lot closer and could get there faster. |
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Agreed. 4 ejections, 4 FTs and the ball for white. |
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So I'm just throwing that out there for consideration. |
In NFHS, for players, dq to the bench is all there is. There is no ejection from the gym.
Somebody will correct me if this is not the case. |
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Go To Your Room Young Man ...
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Plus, most of the other players had started down court, and only the two antoganists were left (as I recall the video). |
Maybe I am seeing this wrong but going frame by frame I see the following occur.
-Initial Participants from Red and White get DQ for fighting penalties cancel each other so no shots. - 1 red comes off the bench and gets involved in the fight, DQ and T for leaving bench. So far 2 shots for White. - 2nd red player starts to run from her bench but thinks better and returns. - 1 white player on the floor jumps in as 3rd in and participates in the fight. DQ for fighting. Cancels and shots from red's second DQ. Still only 2 shots for white. - All others are breaking players apart, they are coaches or security from the looks of it. Any other players involved are not fighting. |
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For some reason, they both marked the attempt :confused: They signaled the make at the same time & that tells me nobody had rebounding action. The principles of dead ball officiating after the make & looking back in transition were not followed. IMO the L is way too laid back on this one!! The players chest bump at :8 then the defender throws a punch at :9 & the presence of the L isnt felt until :16 and all of the action AT the block. Anytime theres an altercation or an ejected coach I like to go back a few plays to see how it all started. This is either a rivalry or something was said or done earlier. I hate to be a Monday morning QB but this has got to be shut down sooner. I wonder what the assignor thought??? |
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Just Pretend That You're Setting A Screen ...
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If they're not yet "engaged", I've gone in with my arms between them creating a wedge and even pushing them away from each other in the process. (This may not be advisable with girls). The last time I did that, I actually saved one player from being penalized at all. It was a one-sided fight where one player, who had been a troublemaker already, got in an opponents face and started yelling at him and shoving him. The second player didn't respond other than trying to remain standing. I pushed the second, innocent player out of harms way to intercept the troublemaker. Since he was off balance from the push by the troublemaker, he actually fell after I shoved him back. We tossed the troublemaker and had no penalty for the other. The coach of the kid that was shoved thanked me for getting between them and getting his kid out of it even if I did push him. He knew that my actions prevented a bigger problem. |
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By the letter of the book I see it says Substitutes that leave the confines of the bench area shall be disqualified. Of this we can agree, what I have a problem with is the immediate reaction to help but stopping 1 step in and turning around to go back. I would not penalize her for that action. Is it my right to decide this, I believe it is as long as I am consistent for both teams. It also says that Irrespective of the number of personnel leaving the bench only 1 "T" is charged against the coach. |
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It's a separate category for leaving and participating. It's still a foul and a DQ for each, but it's one indirect to the coach for each and one "set" of FTs for each. In the play, there was one in each category. So, that's two "sets" of FTs and two indirects to the coach. |
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My late whistle...
Joining the party late...
DQs to the main participants, the two Red players who came off the bench AND two of the Red coaches who came onto the court (I don't care why they came on, they're not supposed to unless we ask them and there's no way I want more people involved). I'm reserving judgment on the White bench's involvement because we can't see it. However, we can see at least four people running from that direction so there's a good chance White will have some bench personnel DQed because they left they bench area. I'd have to speak with my partners about the status of the two White players who jumped on the pile. As for the officials, the new T needed to get in there faster. If he does, maybe it doesn't escalate to bench-clearing level. The new C needed to stay by the benches at the division line - as opposed to drifting down to the end line. If he does, there's a good chance the "drifters" from the bench area never make it onto the court. Obviously since this isn't a college game there's no benefit of replay but if he's there he can let his partners know who left what bench. He can also shout at the non-players to stay where they are once things break out. |
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Need All The Help We Can Get ...
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Coaches control player, not officials. If someone needs to be pulling a player away from a fight, it's that player's coach. As long as he enters the floor and doesn't make the situation worse, then he's had a positive influence and shouldn't be penalized. |
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For that matter, as long as they are not part of the problem, they were beckoned....even if they were just standing there observing ready to help if we need them. |
It is interesting to note that the one lady in the white shirt that was breaking up the fight sent the girls away and you see them walking alone away from the floor... So in the end the team either needs to go get them or send an adult to be with them...
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I had a situation similar to this one about 3-4 years ago and no one from either coaching staff set foot on the court. One thing that helped, I think, is when things broke out I was table-side so I was able to turn and yell for everyone to stay where they were. Two members of the home team bench - non-coaches - didn't listen and they got tossed. |
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I know anyone I've ever worked for, if I simply put I ejected a coach for entering the court during an altercation, the first thing they'd ask is "what did the coach do?" If I followed up with anything but something unsporting, I'd have a very PO'd assignor. But hey, if that's how your bosses want this handled, when in Rome... |
99% of the time when a coach comes out in this situation, he comes out to help. So unless he proves otherwise, I'm assuming that's what he's doing. The exceptions will be dealt with accordingly, plus will likely end up on YouTube.
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