Lawsuits from Assoc. Members

[grunewar]

Originally Posted by Adam

Interesting. It's so varied here. Some give us a check on site. Others mail it. A few use refpay. At least three schools pay us cash on site.

I must admit, I am always fascinated by these discussions. I ref in four leagues with three different associations and every one sends me a check at the end of the yr - and I don't mind at all.

Only once, a tournament, was I paid in cash. Shrugs.

Is this a big deal to any others?

[Adam]

The non-school stuff here gets paid through the association, but they don't wait til the end of the season. They typically pay within a month or so in a check.

All of the schools, however, pay the officials directly in one form or another.

[ASA/NYSSOBLUE]

Originally Posted by Adam

The non-school stuff here gets paid through the association, but they don't wait til the end of the season. They typically pay within a month or so in a check.

All of the schools, however, pay the officials directly in one form or another.

The school games I do for softball and volleyball here (lower NYS) are assigned by, and paid by a cooperative all the schools belong to that pools resources for supplies, vo-tech education, etc. This body also administers all sports - they schedule all the games, and schedules officials . We get (electronically now) a paysheet the first of the month for the previous month, we sign and submit (usually electronically also), and in a couple of weeks we get a check. We USED to get checks from individual schools, but it got ridiculous trying to chase down checks from some districts, so this cooperative took it all over,

[JRutledge]

This is why local officials associations really need to stop assigning games. It has all kinds of liability if someone is not hired to their liking.

Peace

[Camron Rust]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

This is why local officials associations really need to stop assigning games. It has all kinds of liability if someone is not hired to their liking.

Peace

What does the association assigning have to do with liability. Someone will always be subject to being liable if someone wants to sue. Even if the assigning were separate, they could still sue the association.

Are you suggesting the assignor and association be split? Can't be done here in Oregon. It is just not an option with the state bylaws...maybe even laws. Associations here all do the assigning. There is no reason for an association to exist if they don't assign.

[Rich]

Originally Posted by Camron Rust

What does the association assigning have to do with liability. Someone will always be subject to being liable if someone wants to sue. Even if the assigning were separate, they could still sue the association.

Are you suggesting the assignor and association be split? Can't be done here in Oregon. It is just not an option with the state bylaws...maybe even laws. Associations here all do the assigning. There is no reason for an association to exist if they don't assign.

Training and networking. Our associations don't assign, but we have them. I sit on the board of two of them, matter of fact.

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by Rich

Training and networking. Our associations don't assign, but we have them. I sit on the board of two of them, matter of fact.

In VA all public school games must be assigned by a sanctioned commissioner. A sanctioned commissioner must belong to an association that has contracts for at least 6 public high schools. Officials, however, can pay their state dues and get certified through a non-sanctioned association or as an indepedent.

So if there is, for instance, a public school Christmas tournament, the organizer is not allowed to just go out and hire officials on his own, even if the officials are certified by the state. The games must be assigned through an association commissioiner.

It's a bullcrap rule that was put in place after my association lost its public school contracts but was still hired to work the big in-season public school tournaments.

[rockyroad]

Originally Posted by Camron Rust

What does the association assigning have to do with liability. Someone will always be subject to being liable if someone wants to sue. Even if the assigning were separate, they could still sue the association.

Are you suggesting the assignor and association be split? Can't be done here in Oregon. It is just not an option with the state bylaws...maybe even laws. Associations here all do the assigning. There is no reason for an association to exist if they don't assign.

And that's the way it is here in Washington also...the WIAA by-laws say that all WIAA competitions must be officiated by sanctioned WIAA/WOA officials - and the sanctioning is done by and thru the local Associations. The State laws say something about school districts paying money directly to the officials makes us district employees...so we use some other group to do all the billing of the schools, and that group then pays us and the assignors. Kind of a pain, but it works out pretty well.