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Adam Tue Oct 02, 2012 11:02pm

I agree, just thinking. A coach would normally have up to ten on the bench. If he strings them out just right, he can get about a minute out of it.

Some coach somewhere has to think of this sometime.

Camron Rust Wed Oct 03, 2012 02:32am

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Originally Posted by Adam (Post 856831)
I agree, just thinking. A coach would normally have up to ten on the bench. If he strings them out just right, he can get about a minute out of it.

Some coach somewhere has to think of this sometime.

If he strings them out, they're not all getting in. The 2nd one wasn't at the table in time to be beckoned in with the first one so they have to wait until the next opportunity to sub...at least not the way we're told to do it here.

JRutledge Wed Oct 03, 2012 07:34am

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Originally Posted by Camron Rust (Post 856837)
If he strings them out, they're not all getting in. The 2nd one wasn't at the table in time to be beckoned in with the first one to they have to wait until the next opportunity to sub...at least not the way we're told to do it here.

Wasn't there a ruling or interpretation that actually we only were supposed to allow subs that were all at the table at the same basic time? I hate old rulings that do not show up in current casebook plays, but I almost sure I remember where the 10 different substitutes was not what we were supposed to allow in the first place.

Peace

dsqrddgd909 Wed Oct 03, 2012 07:40am

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Originally Posted by bob jenkins (Post 856805)

But, it's better than a picture of a sub sandwich or whatever else might have been posted.

Hearty laugh at that one. Thanks for the good start to my day.

Adam Wed Oct 03, 2012 09:04am

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Originally Posted by Camron Rust (Post 856837)
If he strings them out, they're not all getting in. The 2nd one wasn't at the table in time to be beckoned in with the first one to they have to wait until the next opportunity to sub...at least not the way we're told to do it here.

We (I) haven't been told that. I've obviously never had a string of ten, but I have seen three or four strung out.

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Originally Posted by JRutledge (Post 856851)
Wasn't there a ruling or interpretation that actually we only were supposed to allow subs that were all at the table at the same basic time? I hate old rulings that do not show up in current casebook plays, but I almost sure I remember where the 10 different substitutes was not what we were supposed to allow in the first place.

Peace

I'd like to see that. It makes sense.

BillyMac Wed Oct 03, 2012 09:49am

The X Files ...
 
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Originally Posted by Adam (Post 856870)
I've obviously never had a string of ten, but I have seen three or four strung out.

We've been told to deny entry to substitutes who are not at the "X" when the administering official is "about ready" (my words, I'm at work, no books) to make the ball live (disposal of inbounder, or free thrower).

Adam Wed Oct 03, 2012 10:20am

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Originally Posted by BillyMac (Post 856875)
We've been told to deny entry to substitutes who are not at the "X" when the administering official is "about ready" (my words, I'm at work, no books) to make the ball live (disposal of inbounder, or free thrower).

That's how I do it, but if A6 subs in, I'm not going to be ready until A1 is close to his bench. After A6 comes in, as A1 is walking towards his bench, A7 reports. A2 then slowly walks to his bench. Then A8 reports.

Rinse and repeat.

jritchie Wed Oct 03, 2012 10:57am

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Originally Posted by Camron Rust (Post 856819)
And, Bob, time expiring with FT's remaining doesn't preclude the opportunity to substitute. It may not make any sense, but I know of no rules that prohibit it.

don't we usually send them to their bench area when time expires while we are shooting free throws? So why should we allow a sub?

What about time expiring at the end of the game where FT's are going to be shot? We going to allow a time out to ice shooter? How many TO's can they call? to "ice the shooter" :D

BillyMac Wed Oct 03, 2012 12:08pm

I'll See Your Question, And Raise You Another Question ...
 
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Originally Posted by jritchie (Post 856879)
Don't we usually send them to their bench area when time expires while we are shooting free throws? So why should we allow a sub?

Good question. But answer me this, why wouldn't we allow a substitute? Citation please.

BillyMac Wed Oct 03, 2012 12:10pm

Subsitutions Are Not The Same As Time Outs ...
 
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Originally Posted by jritchie (Post 856879)
What about time expiring at the end of the game where FT's are going to be shot? We going to allow a time out to ice shooter? How many TO's can they call? to "ice the shooter"?

One. No successive time outs allowed in this situation.

Camron Rust Wed Oct 03, 2012 12:10pm

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Originally Posted by jritchie (Post 856879)
don't we usually send them to their bench area when time expires while we are shooting free throws? So why should we allow a sub?

What about time expiring at the end of the game where FT's are going to be shot? We going to allow a time out to ice shooter? How many TO's can they call? to "ice the shooter" :D

While they may go to the bench area and we may allow them to do so, the rules actually require that those other players remain on the court and that the other team members remain on the bench until the FTs are done. The game isn't over and all the rules still apply....even substitute rules.

jritchie Wed Oct 03, 2012 12:54pm

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Originally Posted by BillyMac (Post 856886)
Good question. But answer me this, why wouldn't we allow a substitute? Citation please.

Courtesy to the shooter! :D No citation that I have found, but if I'm going to send the players to the bench area because time has expired, while we shoot the FT's, could we call them all bench personnel now and not have to bring in subs?

BillyMac Wed Oct 03, 2012 01:37pm

Intermission Substitutes ...
 
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Originally Posted by jritchie (Post 856902)
Could we call them all bench personnel now and not have to bring in subs?

Officials beckon substitutes all the time during intermissions. Sometimes substitutes report, and are beckoned, at the beginning of the intermission, more commonly they report, and are beckoned, right before the warning buzzer sounds. Except for when they report after the warning buzzer, when they report, we beckon them into the game. Are we wrong to do that?

bob jenkins Wed Oct 03, 2012 02:08pm

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Originally Posted by BillyMac (Post 856909)
Officials beckon substitutes all the time during intermissions. Sometimes substitutes report, and are beckoned, at the beginning of the intermission, more commonly they report, and are beckoned, right before the warning buzzer sounds. Except for when they report after the warning buzzer, when they report, we beckon them into the game. Are we wrong to do that?

IMO, yes, you are wrong. Just let them report and go back to the huddle. It's up to the scorer to tell you who is (or should be) in the game once the next quarter starts.

BillyMac Wed Oct 03, 2012 02:27pm

Tree Falls In A Forest, Nobody Is There To Hear It ???
 
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Originally Posted by bob jenkins (Post 856914)
Yes, you are wrong. Just let them report and go back to the huddle. It's up to the scorer to tell you who is (or should be) in the game once the next quarter starts.

So we beckon these substitutes during a timeout, but not during an intermission?

Mechanically, this does make some sense. In a Connecticut two person game, during a timeout there is an official on the division line, either on the table side jump ball circle, or on the far side jump ball circle, who is obviously there to beckon substitutes. During intermissions, the official on the division line is all the way over on the far side sideline.

If they report, and are not beckoned, as in an intermission, where all players are bench personnel, has there been substitution, or has there been no substitution?


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