Olympic officials
 

Just flipped to the Argentina/Lithuania Men's Basketball game and noticed Jose Carrion working the game. I've worked with Jose at the D3 NCAA level. Very fun to see him on TV tonight.

I've always noticed in international games the weak side official put both arms up on the first free throw. Why?

I also noticed that there is no trapezoid for these games. I always thought FIBA prided itself on the trapezoid.

If the official outside the restricted area (what we'd call the paint in America) has both hands up and palms facing forward, that means two free throws. If he had both hands up but only has 3 fingers up on each hand, he's indicated 3 free throws.

Also, FIBA changed their rules and went into effect in 2010 that changed the lane from the trapezoid lane to the NBA sized lane (16 feet wide). They've also added a no charge semi-circle that is anaglous to the restricted area/arc in the NBA/NCAA (in FIBA it seems they call the "paint" the restricted area), but a defender must be entirely in the no charge area for him not to be allowed to take a charge.

The arms (in the air) are the FIBA signal for two free throws and FIBA adopted a rectangular key in 2010 as one of its many rule changes including a longer three point line and a no charge semi circle. FIBA has gradually gotten closer and closer to the NBA game over the last 10 years.

For those who do not follow FIBA closely, you may find it interesting that when they adopted the semi circle for block/charge calls, they did so with a wrinkle. In FIBA, the defender is considered outside the semi circle as long as both his feet are not completely inside the line. So if you see a block/charge call and the defender has his feet ON the line, the call CAN be a charge as long as he ahs all the other elements of a legal guarding position.

APG, you beat me to do it.

Because it's FIBA and it is the dumbest mechanic ever. I do it because I have too, not because it makes sense haha.

Seriously no supervisor I've ever asked has been able to give me a good reason as to why we do it. Just like no one has ever been able to answer why only numbers for 4-15 are permitted.

I was told that FIBA mechanics were developed such that all signals were non-disparaging within all cultures.

I can't give you an answer as to why, but I will point out that is seems to be common in international competition in many sports to limit the players' numbers to the low end of the number line. FIFA requires teams to use the numbers 1-23, and 1 must be a goalkeeper. They mentioned the water polo players are numbered 1-13, and 1 must be a goalkeeper.

:D

I'm assuming it's to keep things, "simple stupid" for all involved. Besides that, I can't think of a legit reason why numbers should be limited like they are in FIBA play.

I was told its because all the numbers can be communicated by using either one hand alone or max 2 hands. Over 15, official would then have to use one hand again to communicate the 6 in sixteen. Also, the numbers 1,2 and 3 are not allowed so not to confuse with number of free throws.

That, obviously, is solved by the NFHS/NCAA limits on numbers to used only the digits 0-5....allowing 54, which is no more difficult to indicate than 12.

Allowing only 4-15 does reduce the chance of miscommunication as only 4 and 5 are used in two different numbers, the rest being entirely unique (per team). It does increase the odds of confusing a number on the two teams as both teams would use all the same numbers.

Well then they could go the NFHS/NCAA route with their numbering system. And who's going to get confused with the number of free throws vs. number of the player? The scorer? Well they'll figure it out real quick after the appropriate amount of free throws have been shot.

NFHS has the same reasoning (except for the free throw confusion part), but it doesn't preclude such numbers as 33 or 52.

Buckle My Shoe ...
 

Many years ago, back in the twentieth century, didn't the NFHS define the numerals 1, and 2, as illegal? I'm sure that Mark T. DeNucci, Sr. will be moseying along shortly to confirm, or deny, my statement. Remember Mark, since the Forum's merger with Twitter, all posts must be limited to 140 characters.

In my high school conference we had even numbers for our home jerseys and odd numbers for our road jerseys (or vise versa, I don't remember specifically). It helped prevent scorers from accidentally giving fouls or points to the wrong team.

That was the norm at one time.

Any idea why they got rid of it? Was it an official rule or just one of those unwritten standards?

Australia game
 

Did anyone see the intentional fouls that were called early in the 1st quarter.
One went against Patty Mills when the Aussie's were inbounding and committed a turnover. Mills put a hand on the player that had stolen the ball and they called an intentional. It was so weak. Feeble Refs! :eek:

I don't remember it being a rule, but someone older and smarter than I am may correct me. I'm not even sure everyone did it everywhere.

Please, tell me more about the situation.

Do the olympic referees work both mens and womens games? Bill Kennedy worked the France/Australia womens game yesterday.

FIBA has a "clear path" rule. Without having full knowledge of the situation that could be a factor.

You wanna talk about confusing??

Check this out. In FIBA if you see an official reporting a foul with 2 fingers up on their left hand and a closed fist on the left what would you assume that is??? 20?? nope.

12..

Goofy.

He knows; he works FIBA. And if 20 is not a possible FIBA number, why would someone assume it would be 20?

Volleyball does the same thing. Even in NCAA.

I saw the play...it was a "clear path" rule enforcement.

Bill Kennedy (and I want to say Marat Korgut as well if we're naming NBA officials) have worked on both sides during the tournament. And I've definitely noticed, at least Mr. Kennedy, using some NBA mechanics lol :D

I would assume it's an official who doesn't know how to report numbers correctly as if you want to report 20, you should have 2 showing on the right hand and 0 on the left, so that the scorer reads it normally left to right from his/her view.

Yes, that is correct. And now it is time for me to go to bed and get my beauty sleep. :p

MTD, Sr.