NCAA Sanctioned HS Tourney
 

Hi,

Working my first NCAA Sanctioned event on Saturday.

Can you tell me what it means to be an NCAA Sanctioned HS Tourney?

For you, not much. :)

For the players it means NCAA coaches and/or their representatives are allowed to attend and are paying to see the kids.

You may find that the rules for the tournament will allow six fouls until disqualification or that other rule mods might be in place to ensure players have the opportunity to be seen. And of course all of the parents in the place will be aware that there are college scouts watching which tends to increase the extraneous commentary from the stands.

Those tournaments do tend to attract higher quality teams so you may have an opportunity to work some good games. If you do a lot of youth or sub varsity HS games you don't see much play above the rim and you may see some of that here. Good chance to sharpen your awareness of basket interference and goal tending. I missed a basket interference call in one of those tournaments this year. Just didn't react fast enough to what I thought I saw.

Have fun and work on your skills.

I do not think he said what gender was playing these games. ;)

I just say this because there is a shoe sponsored tournament going on right now in my area but it is girls. No above the rim play in these games for sure.

Peace

For Sure ???
 

Open court, undefended slam dunks are not the same as "above the rim play."

Yep. I have yet to see a dunk in a game yet.

Peace

As the previous posters said it's a NCAA sanctioned tournament so coaches can be there in person to scout out potential players. Usually they all wear their school gear so you can tell who the coaches are.

I just finished up with a big one here in Oregon on the girls side of things (End of the Trail) this has been like my 5-6th year doing it. For the most part very good ball and games. This particular tournament uses NCAA-W rules so it's fun for me since Oregon isn't a shot clock state to get some practice on it, plus it's nice not having to have a 10 second backcourt count going on.

Most of the teams in this tournament were AAU types and they brought the AAU coaches with them. For the most part they behaved but you still run into the types of AAU coaches who can make life fairly difficult if you don't put a stop to it early and often.

Here's a tip. You can tell what type of game you are going to have based on the numbers and types of coaches in the stands. If you have a game with a lot of coaches (from big name schools) you will likely have a very, very good game with high caliber types of players.

Spider Dunks ...
 

Especially when they are dunking on eight foot baskets.

Did they have you work 3-person crews as well?

Links
 

Btw, here are links to this summer's men's...

http://www.ncaa.org/wps/wcm/connect/...32990c107f77dc

and women's NCAA sanctioned events

http://www.ncaa.org/wps/wcm/connect/...43e7071e1ceb2b

No, the camp referenced in another thread did the 3 man crews. I worked in the non-camp section of the tournament and we just used 2 person crews. It is a huge tournament, multiple courts over multiple schools.

Why even bring up the video? :confused:

It's pathological.

I am working the Nike Cup here in the western suburbs this weekend and just about every program you can imagine and ever conference has been represented at this tournament.

I wish that was the case this weekend. At least today we have had the dumbest coaches I think I have ever come in contact with. One coach could not understand why we would not grant timeouts as she never would raise her voice and when she was heard, her players did not have the ball. It got to the point where I had to yell at the top of my lungs to suggest, "If you want a time out, you need to do more than talk under your breathe. It is not "time out" it is TIME OUT!!" The the stupid people were so dumb, that she had the assistant coach yell timeout and when I asked the head coach whether she wanted a timeout (during a dead ball before a FT) she got upset when I asked her for her clarification as she was clearly the head coach.

Then we have a guy (another coach) that I had a run in with last year (long story) and lied when my partner granted a timeout. My partner was near the bench and he called a timeout. Then my partner proceeded to go into the huddle and not 5 feet away say to the coach, "What kind of timeout do you want?" Coach did not respond at all. He repeated himself 2 more times. Then when no response he walks to the table and says, "Full timeout." Then about 20 seconds later, the coach comes to us and says, "I wanted a 30 second timeout." And that was just the beginning. There was much more in this game that made what was actually a very enjoyable game into a very dreadful experience.

We had that all day today. Only one of the games was not competitive. Every game was back and forth and many D1 players on the floor. Fun to work except for the stupid azz coaches.

Peace

One Word..UGLY!
 

Just got home and one Word sums it up UGLY!.....The coaches acted ugly.. wining and parents chimed in with commentary too and to top it off losing asst coach starts having words with 16 yr old player winning team after da game..

My eyes were opened today to UGLY:(

Got to love the weekend warrior/AAU coaches...

One coach interaction this weekend was memorable. I worked 9 games over three days. 2nd to last game on the my last day. One coach is intense as all can be, but for the most part stays away from us. About 15 seconds left in the game, which was a hack fest, his team is down 15 and shooting 2 as we were in the double bonus, or so we thought. Partner calls two and I administer the first which is missed. I'm about to administer the second one and partner blows his whistle and comes down and states table gave the wrong information and it should have been a 1-1. So we briefly confer and go to the arrow which is for the other team. I briefly call out it should have been 1-1 we are going to the arrow. Other team inbounds and the game ends.

We are grabbing our waters from the table and coach comes up to us and demands an explanation for the call. I briefly explain it and he goes on a rant about how we cost his team a chance for a rebound (whatever). Then he goes on another rant about how much money they spent for this tournament and we shouldn't have done it that way and we should have given him an explanation. My response was that yes he did pay a lot of money, which included paying for experienced officials who in this case got the call exactly right. We then head off to watch the game on the other court with him still fuming behind us.

I felt like saying" I'm sorry that call prevented you from losing by 14 vs 15" but I was laughing too much on the inside to pull it off.

It's Still A 28.5 Inch Circumference Ball ...
 

The video is a sociological comment on the differences, despite forty years of equal funding under Title IX, between boys and girls, and mens and womens, basketball. The fact that the girls in the dunking contest have to dunk on an eight foot basket may be viewed by some as demeaning to the sport of girls, or womens, basketball. It would have been very simple to post a video of Brittney Griner dunking in a high school, or NCAA game, but that would be the exception, not the rule. Title IX does not effect levels of testosterone in the blood, and its effect on musculature in the human body, and thus JRutledge's comment that, "No above the rim play in these games for sure", should not be viewed as a derogatory statement, and it is as true today as it was forty years ago, and will be true in the foreseeable future.

My daughter played girls high school basketball, I officiate girls high school basketball, we have a top notch womens NCAA team here in Connecticut, we have a successful professional womens team here in Connecticut, yet it still girls, or womens basketball, and it will always be girls, or womens basketball. I like it, I enjoy officiating it, I enjoy watching it, but it's not the same as boys, or mens basketball, and I don't think that it will ever be the same, it certainly will never be the same in my lifetime.

The video that I posted can be viewed on many different levels, with many implications, which is why I posted it.

Lol
 

Or, you could have just said you posted it because bob isn't a mod anymore, and you could get away with it.

Chaos
 

One More Ahhha moment from AAU Tourney...

The coaches like to create Chaos and commotion by doubting calls made including posession, 3 pointers, FT shooters etc.

Its one thing to lobby for calls and ask questions which most coaches do..but to create a chaos as I saw, really makes our jobs tougher.

Dunkin' Don'ts ...
 

No (not this time). Seriously. I posted it in response to JRutledge's comment that, "No above the rim play in these games for sure". I was originally going to post a video of Brittney Griner dunking, but the video I ended up posting had a better "take" on the differences between boys and girls basketball and seemed more thought provoking. I wondered what feminists would think about girls participating in a dunking contest on eight foot baskets? Is the glass ceiling eight feet high, or ten feet high?

Actually Billy I saw yesterday several girls that were around 6'4" or even one girl that was 6'6" and none of them were a threat to dunk the basketball. I am 6 feet tall and I can probably touch the rim and none of these girls were close to jumping that high. Just sayin.

Peace

Preaching To The Choir ...
 

I thought that I had that covered in my earlier post. I think that we're on the same page.

I've always wondered whether coaches act differently during the non-officiating camp/2-person portion of these tournaments. Not to say they're always angels during the 3-person segment but I've suspected they behave better during the camp because more people are watching them.

I'd like to think having the extra official and having college-level officials makes a difference but I know that's a pipe dream :)

There is a D2 Camp that I have attended for the last few years. The camp consists of 3 Person and most officials have some college experience and in some cases there are D1 officials in attendance as well. There has to be about 3 or 4 coaches every year that are thrown out of games at this camp. And just about everyone that attends the camp can referee their behind off.

I also know a few HS conference assignors that refuse to use AAU tournaments as a camp for this very reason. AAU coaches have no accountability and often act like because they paid some money they are entitled to act complete jerks while trying to play coach for a weekend.

The type of things I dealt with this weekend you almost never see during a HS/college season. Oh well, I am glad the summer season is over. ;)

Peace

The Buck Stops Where ???
 

How true. No athletic director. No principal. No school superintendent. No school board.

What exactly do you expect? The intensity is ratcheted up for these types of tourneys, and the coaches want to win. This is what separates the men from the boys in being able to handle these types of coaches in these types of scenarios. Perhaps you're not ready for this level of play if this bothers you.

It doesnt have to make our jobs tougher. We have tools to deal with summer fools!

Remember, what we permit, we promote.

So much for that :)

Do the observers step in at the D2 camp if things get way out of hand? I know at the AAU-based camp I attend if a coach was to truly get nutty - e.g., gets booted but won't leave - the observers will step in so we can get the game going. Not that it has happened (that I can recall) but the potential is there.

Just got back from a camp & we were told to put 1 minute on the clock & if the ejected coach wasnt gone when it hit triple zeros...ballgame.
They clinicians werent stepping in though, we were expected to handle our own biz.

Funny story - Coach (with a mohawk) gets tossed on the first day of camp, pulls the Im not leaving routine & a minute goes up.
AC says: You gotta go or we lose.
HC goes out in the hallway and abuses a large, filled trash can.
Janitor walks up to him with a broom & dustpan in one hand while pushing the mop bucket with the other hand.
Coach says: I'm sorry.
Janitor says: Oh dont be sorry, we all get squirly from tyyyme to tyyyme. Besides, I aint cleaning up this BS, here ya go, get to it. And walks off.

The entire crew got kudos & giveaways at the social.

It's actually what I enjoy about summer ball, to be honest. It's one more thing I get to work on.

I would not say they step in. They allow the campers to take care of business on the court. But what happens is that the coaches come to the clinician (and this happen with me in another camp as a clinician as well last year) and yell and scream at the clinicians about things they "think" are not being called or being addressed. Or complain when they were T'd up and complain that they were perfect human being and the big bad officials hurt their feelings. ;)

Clinicians even in some situations have fans yelling at them. It does not take a rocket scientist to figure out that the campers are being evaluated. But as usually the normal public are so stupid they do not realize there is a difference between being taught how to referee and being in a camp to get hired for a very specific conference.

If it happens at the AAU camp, what do you think happens with guys with all kinds of different agendas like getting paid to want to get better?

Peace

That was my take away from the tourney as well...It was my first AAU tourney with this level of intensity, so definite eye opener and now that I know the vibe..will handle differently moving forward :)

Rut..thnaks for all of your insight on this topic of AAU tourneys..it lets a young offical know that this non-sense goes on all over!:mad:

Me too. It's the most difficult part of the game for me to become comfortable with and be good at reacting to different actions/comments.

Yep, and you're likely to get an entire season's worth of stupid in just one day.