Why not a dozen?
 

After Pierce fouls out in overtime, Jeff Van Gundy had the following wisdom:

"This is why I am a proponent of seven fouls. A game like this shouldn't come down to foul trouble. It needs to be the best against the best."


Wow

I took that to mean 7 fouls, if the game goes into OT.

I heard that too. He gets worse for me every game

Even more, Magic & Broussard are saying the D-Wade should have "jumped into" Daniels on the last shot to draw the foul. Granted, Daniels had no LGP whatsoever, and was moving in the air somewhat laterally, but even if D-Wade came into him, shouldn't that still be a no-call?

That's why I'm starting to wonder if it's worth watching NBA games to listen to him abuse both the game and the sportscasting industry.

And then he claimed that foul was a "play-on"? What? Pierce ran right through him!

Maybe they should just play the games under summer rules...no foul outs and running clock. :D

Dick Vitale has been a proponent of not DQing players for fouls as well.

And the game would go to hell in a hand basket if that was the case. There would be no incentive to not foul people constantly and it would be used as a strategy to make the game what these guys cry about, a foul shooting contest.

This is why I have to roll my eyes every time JVG speaks. Because even if they had 7 fouls then people would complain if a player got 7 fouls.

Peace

Players don't even foul out that often as it is. You only hear of this when a player fouls out during a playoff game or during the tournament.

Shaq used to foul out all the time and people suggested that more fouls should be called on him. People just want it both ways that is all.

Peace

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No...that's a foul call on the defense 99/100 times.

I almost hurled the remote at the TV when I heard that one...Instead of getting an OPEN shot with a beautiful fake (which he did), these two geniuses advocate trying to draw a marginal, B.S. foul to win or tie by "jumping into" the defender. Had the shot gone in...these two would be babbling on and on about Wade doing the right thing...a brilliant decision...big time player...blah, blah, blah.

Between them and JVG's complete ignorance of ANYTHING related to the rules, I find myself talking to (yelling at) the TV more and more. My wife thinks I'm losing it. Next game will be watched with the volume off.

Fed is (4 * 8) / 5 = 1 foul per 6.4 minutes.

NCAA is (2 * 20) / 5 = 1 foul per 8 minutes.

FIBA is (4 * 10) / 5 = 1 foul per 8 minutes.

NBA is (4 * 12) / 6 = 1 foul per 8 minutes.

But because the NBA does have a very strong entertainment element to the game, I would enjoy (only) a 7th foul for games that go to OT. (4 * 12) + 5) / 7 = 7.6, which is not much of a change.

i'm with everyone on vangundy. What i do is mute the tv, and find a radio station that's broadcasting the game. listen to the radio guys (almost always much better) and watch the game. can almost always find a station that is in sync with the tv. it's a win-win.

I like the idea I've heard floated around that you don't foul out the players at all ... but any foul over (5 in college, 6 in NBA) is a technical foul - 2 shots and the ball.

I works a men's wreck summer league that uses that very rule due to low numbers of players per team. I think it's fine for that scenario, but it is too radical a departure from the fundamental rules of the game for college or the NBE .

I think you would see excessive physical contact increase wherever that rule is applied...just my opinion. The 2 shot T would not be enough to deter some players from excessively hard fouls. Heck, fouling out doesn't even seem to deter some knuckleheads.

Was that a rule in the 'ole ABA?

Thirty Six Years Ago Today ...
 

... and it seems like it only happened yesterday.

What would you do with this game?

ESPN Classic - Celtics in Land of the Suns after triple OT win

I can't give an answer about the ABA, but the NBA uses a rule similar to what has been mentioned -- but only when a player fouls out and there are no more eligible substitutes.

Unlike NFHS and NCAA, the NBA does not allow a team to compete with fewer than 5 players in the game. So when a player fouls out and all other team members have been DQ'd or are unavailable due to injury, the player who has fouled out is allowed to stay in the game (I believe), but any future fouls he commits carry the double penalty.

Forget what I think. Here's the rule, from NBA.com:

I guess I never really paid much attention before I started officiating but it is extremely painful to be the lone voice of reason among my friends and the people on TV. And its all sports, not just basketball. I've rarely seen sports bring out the best of people, but it almost always brings out the worst

There. Fixed it for you.

I suppose any player who fouls out during regulation would then be allowed to return in OT, since he he now has another foul to give?

Good grief.

Unless I mistaken, I believe the ABA allowed 6 fouls and the NBA adopted it when the NBA ate the ABA.

Which makes Wilt's feat of never fouling out even more remarkable.

Sleeping Beauty ...
 

How about his feat of having slept with more than 20,000 women? That's not remarkable?

Welcome to the club.

I've had the "that was the right call"/"the officials aren't corrupt" discussions many times before, with friends, family, you name it. And, I'll have them again.

You will be scoffed, and you will be dismissed as "defending the refs." However, if you don't say anything to counter their excessive emotion over logic, they'll only continue believing the myths. That's far worse, IMO.

I think most of us have had these conversations. But watch out for the "I ref too" claims. You know the guy that has not officiated in several years, but only worked some intramural games while in college but somehow knows what an NBA official does at it relates to their training and background?

Quick very funny story. The other day I was having one of these discussions during one of the playoff games on FB. And I was talking on my friend's site with one of his friends and in the discussion of calling the officials corrupt, he mentioned that he officiated. Come to find out it was not for two years. This friend of my friend also claimed he was taught something at a clinic where I am on the committee for the state. Then when I asked him to be more specific and tell me who taught him a particular philosophy, he clearly started to back away when I told him exactly who I was and what my background was with the conference he was referencing. The guy was clearly caught in a lie and then tried to back off by saying, "Well I heard what I heard……blahblahblah." He obviously use the "I officiate" because he thought I would be impressed and take his words for it and just either agree with his claims or not call him on what he decided to divulge.

But that is what we go through with people when they know you are an official.

Peace

Hmmm, I have never seen JVG play, but I have seen Magic play a game or two...or a thousand! Although he may be wrong on this one, and he is not the most eloquent speaker, but he is Magic Johnson for crying out loud!

I think Pierce's sixth foul was an easy call. I wish they would have shown an angle similar to Crawford's on LeBron's sixth foul. It looks like he was moving backwards and could have pinned the defender's arm.

I wish they showed an alternate angle on LeBron's sixth foul as well...I also thought that LeBron clamped the defender's left arm, but an opposite angle shot would have shown that best.

I agree that angle would be better, but you can tell that LBJ took his body to move his defender to the floor. Yes there was some arm contact by the defender, but he was put in a helpless position by the body movement alone to the floor. You have bodies on the floor; you better know how they got there. Joey saw that entire play by his positioning and his angle and got the call right. The media is just stupid as hell and they apparently want a gun to be used before someone can be called for a foul. But if little contact on near the basket takes place and the shooter is "hit" no matter how legal the defender is, they want every little foul to be called. Or they complain if the right person does not get a foul call. Sports media are the most inept group of people in all of media. I see political media people point out the smallest inconsistency in a claim and the sports media cannot look at a rulebook or the box score and see how stupid these claims they make. They are just plain lazy.

Peace

Some of them try (IMO Elmore, Fraschilla, Kellogg to a certain extent). Others are just there to be heard. I work in the media - and for a while I worked in sports media - so it really drives me crazy when they screw stuff up.

Stephen Bardo (ESPN) called me a "hater" because I pointed out some rule screwups he made on his Twitter page. I said it's not hating, it's providing knowledge.

Nobody would ever dispute his skills as a player, but I was kinda shocked by his attitude here...try to draw a cheap foul?... instead of taking a gutsy shot after a beautiful fake? It just seemed out of character for him...especially the way HE played the game. That's why it pains me to see HOF caliber players try to slide into an anlalysts role. JVG..I expect the nonsense out of him. Magic...I guess I expect more.

Why would ANYONE want to see JVG play? Oh, you mean Van Gundy? Never mind.

A seven personal foul limit would be reasonable for any game that goes into overtime, because how many games go into overtime? In addition, a select few go further than one overtime.

I love how people think just because they know who Joey Crawford is, they can exclaim how he is the worst officialthey've ever seen. He has his quirks, and has been known to be a hothead, but he is one of the most experienced officials there is.

Every NBA official is the worst they've ever seen. I can guarantee this...if there's a game 7 in the NBA Finals, he WILL be the crew chief for that game.

He's at it again tonight.

"They need to move that restricted line out further. The charge has become to big of an impediment to spectacular driving plays."

Yeah, let's just remove all defensive aspects from the game so we can go back to the days of the ABA and scores of 161 - 148.

What an idiot.

I did like the tri-colored ball. Especially on Rick Barry FTs and Ron Boone 3 pointers.:D

I just watched the game with a buddy and he revealed that "JVG is my favorite! He's funny!" All I could do is shake my head

+1

Sadly, it's a pro-offense, anti-defense mentality that even knowledgeable basketball fans possess.

Funny you mentioned him. I officiated his son a couple of years ago in a Sectional Final game. I was not impressed by his comments about his rules knowledge of the game then and certainly not when I hear him on TV. :)

Peace

Fans do not like him because he will not put up with the players sh!t. The league obviously likes him and why he keeps getting the assignments he gets. So much for what the fans think.

Peace

I heard that too. Idiot is right on.

What is truly amazing to me is how this IMBECILE was actually a head coach in the NBA at one point.

Can anyone find the pic of VG holding on to Ewing's leg in that brawl years ago.....

This one?:

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:)

I've decided to reach out to "analysts" (Twitter, e-mail, etc.) whenever I can if I hear them say something incorrect regarding the rules. It's my crusade to spread knowledge among the masses :D

Hater!