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thm19 Tue May 01, 2012 07:39pm

Held ball - Help
 
In a situation where 2 players are close to being call for a held ball, can a third person comes over and help out their teammate?I have been told by friends that no more than 2 players can hustle for the ball. But in some NBA games, I noticed at times there were 3 players hustling for it. Thanks in advance!

Adam Tue May 01, 2012 08:03pm

There is no rule based limit.

APG Tue May 01, 2012 09:34pm

This ain't the NHL...there's no third man in rule. Your friends must not watch any kind of basketball to think there's some rule that prevents 3 or more players from hustling for the ball.

JRutledge Tue May 01, 2012 11:04pm

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Originally Posted by AllPurposeGamer (Post 839824)
This ain't the NHL...there's no third man in rule. Your friends must not watch any kind of basketball to think there's some rule that prevents 3 or more players from hustling for the ball.

Explain that NHL Rule please? I was not aware. Of such rule in Hockey.

Peace

APG Tue May 01, 2012 11:10pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by JRutledge (Post 839835)
Explain that NHL Rule please? I was not aware. Of such rule in Hockey.

Peace

If a third player intervenes in an altercation between two players, the third player is assessed a game misconduct unless a match penalty is being assessed in the original altercation

NHL Rule Book (2011-2012)
46.16 Third Man In - A game misconduct penalty, at the discretion of the Referee, shall be imposed on any player who is the first to intervene (third man in) in an altercation already in progress except when a match penalty is being imposed in the original altercation. This penalty is in addition to any other penalties incurred in the same incident.

This rule also applies to subsequent players who elect to intervene in the same or other altercations during the same stoppage of play.

Generally, this rule is applied when a fightys occurs

Adam Wed May 02, 2012 12:21am

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Originally Posted by AllPurposeGamer (Post 839836)
Generally, this rule is applied when a fightys occurs

Is that a Greek fight?

JRutledge Wed May 02, 2012 01:36am

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Originally Posted by Snaqwells (Post 839838)
Is that a Greek fight?

No that is Canadian for what they do in Hockey.

Peace

BillyMac Wed May 02, 2012 06:12am

Respectfully Disagree ...
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Snaqwells (Post 839816)
There is no rule based limit.

There isn't? How about eleven players? Legal?

tref Wed May 02, 2012 06:47am

Impressive APG! Do you work on the ice as well?

Adam Wed May 02, 2012 08:27am

Quote:

Originally Posted by thm19 (Post 839811)
In a situation where 2 players are close to being call for a held ball, can a third person comes over and help out their teammate?I have been told by friends that no more than 2 players can hustle for the ball. But in some NBA games, I noticed at times there were 3 players hustling for it. Thanks in advance!

Please tell me your friends aren't officials. Please?

Adam Wed May 02, 2012 08:31am

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Originally Posted by JRutledge (Post 839839)
No that is Canadian for what they do in Hockey.

Peace

Should have known it was the Canadeapean spelling.

Welpe Wed May 02, 2012 08:38am

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Originally Posted by tref (Post 839849)
Impressive APG! Do you work on the ice as well?

He just takes being a rules geek to a whole 'nother level. :D

Adam Wed May 02, 2012 11:16am

Quote:

Originally Posted by BillyMac (Post 839846)
There isn't? How about eleven players? Legal?

Well, chances are if I haven't noticed 11 players on the court before a held ball situation develops, I won't be noticing during that situation. But yes, Billy, I suppose there's a limit, technically.

That said, there's no way in hell this situation is getting beyond three or four players before I have a whistle or the ball comes loose. That's just asking for trouble, so the limit isn't rules-based so much as it is practical.

APG Wed May 02, 2012 12:43pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by Snaqwells (Post 839838)
Is that a Greek fight?

Blame the NHL website for the spelling haha

Quote:

Originally Posted by tref (Post 839849)
Impressive APG! Do you work on the ice as well?

Goodness no haha...just make it a point to be as knowledgeable as possible with any sport I watch. Plus I couldn't skate nearly as well as those referees and linesmen do. ;)

JRutledge Wed May 02, 2012 01:20pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by Snaqwells (Post 839894)
Well, chances are if I haven't noticed 11 players on the court before a held ball situation develops, I won't be noticing during that situation. But yes, Billy, I suppose there's a limit, technically.

That said, there's no way in hell this situation is getting beyond three or four players before I have a whistle or the ball comes loose. That's just asking for trouble, so the limit isn't rules-based so much as it is practical.

So if the ball is clearly on the floor and players are coming from everywhere you are stopping play just to keep away from trouble?

Peace


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