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goldie_locke Wed Jun 18, 2003 11:58am

When A1 is dribbling down the sideline, ball goes off foot toward OOB, A1 jumps from inbounds, saves the ball, A1 touches OOB, then A1 comes back inbounds (establishes self inbounds) and is the first to touch the ball. What is the call? Or is that legal?

Camron Rust Wed Jun 18, 2003 12:01pm

Entirely legal.

Steve_pa Wed Jun 18, 2003 12:07pm

Travel. The fumble and regain control is ok. but the save must be touched before A1 can touch again.

Ref in PA Wed Jun 18, 2003 12:12pm

I beg to differ
 
The play sounds legal to me - provided A1 did not hold the ball during the save. You have an interrupted dribble. The save is most likely a bat (so the dribble is still interrupted). A1 can come back on court and continue the dribble or catch the ball or bat it to a teammate.

BktBallRef Wed Jun 18, 2003 12:19pm

It's not traveling.

As PA Ref stated, if the save is a one handed bat, the play is legal.

If the save was a two handed bat, or a catch and save, it's a double dribble when he touches it again inbounds.

But it is not traveling and it is not a violation because he went OOB.

rainmaker Wed Jun 18, 2003 01:01pm

Okay, Tony, I'll bite. What's the signature line quote from? Did you just finish the Great American Novel?

Camron Rust Wed Jun 18, 2003 01:20pm

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Originally posted by Steve_pa
Travel. The fumble and regain control is ok. but the save must be touched before A1 can touch again.
Travel can only occur when a player's feet move beyond the prescribe limits while holding the ball.

Jurassic Referee Wed Jun 18, 2003 02:14pm

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Originally posted by rainmaker
Okay, Tony, I'll bite. What's the signature line quote from? Did you just finish the Great American Novel?
From the movie "A river runs through it".

Also from google.

BktBallRef Wed Jun 18, 2003 04:32pm

"A River Runs Through It"
 
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Originally posted by rainmaker
Okay, Tony, I'll bite. What's the signature line quote from? Did you just finish the Great American Novel?
It's the passage that Robert Redford cites, while an aging Norman is fishing alone in the final scene in the movie. Pretty deep stuff. :)

rainmaker Thu Jun 19, 2003 01:28am

Re:
 
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Originally posted by BktBallRef
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Originally posted by rainmaker
Okay, Tony, I'll bite. What's the signature line quote from? Did you just finish the Great American Novel?
It's the passage that Robert Redford cites, while an aging Norman is fishing alone in the final scene in the movie. Pretty deep stuff. :)

I haven't read the book. But I don't see how it could be as good as The River Why by David James Duncan. But then, I'm not a fishing person, so I can't compare them to real life. Tangentially, The Brothers K by the same author is an incredible book. Fabulous baseball story. Almost enough to make me understand baseball.

6'9'' with the afro Thu Jun 19, 2003 03:51am

self pass?
 
someone tried to tell me that in the rules it states that if you shoot an airball and catch it, or let it bounce, without anyone touching it it's not a self pass/turnover if there was intent to shoot. This can't be true can it?

JugglingReferee Thu Jun 19, 2003 05:53am

Re: self pass?
 
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Originally posted by 6'9'' with the afro
someone tried to tell me that in the rules it states that if you shoot an airball and catch it, or let it bounce, without anyone touching it it's not a self pass/turnover if there was intent to shoot. This can't be true can it?
As a matter of fact, this is true - the person informed you correctly. If in the official's judgement, it was a bonified attempt at a shot, you are permitted to recover your own rebound. It is not an infraction to be a crappy shooter.

However, if the official thinks that you're trying to circumvent the rules, she can call a travelling violation.

Mike

Jurassic Referee Thu Jun 19, 2003 08:05am

Re: self pass?
 
Quote:

Originally posted by 6'9'' with the afro
someone tried to tell me that in the rules it states that if you shoot an airball and catch it, or let it bounce, without anyone touching it it's not a self pass/turnover if there was intent to shoot. This can't be true can it?
Illegal in the NBA.Legal in high school or college games.

BktBallRef Thu Jun 19, 2003 09:11am

Re: Re:
 
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Originally posted by rainmaker
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Originally posted by BktBallRef
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Originally posted by rainmaker
Okay, Tony, I'll bite. What's the signature line quote from? Did you just finish the Great American Novel?
It's the passage that Robert Redford cites, while an aging Norman is fishing alone in the final scene in the movie. Pretty deep stuff. :)

I haven't read the book.

Juules, you've never seen the movie, "A River Runs Through It?"

ChuckElias Thu Jun 19, 2003 09:28am

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Originally posted by BktBallRef
Juules, you've never seen the movie, "A River Runs Through It?"
I haven't either. I'm not a big Brad Pitt fan, and fishing is only slightly more appealing to me than drinking beer, which, of course, is integral to most fishing trips. Blech. I'd rather do a girls' freshman game, personally.


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