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Camron Rust Sat Mar 31, 2012 02:04am
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Originally Posted by justacoach (Post 835015)
On the second play, did anyone notice the slot official tread water about 3 counts while he provided a totally unwarranted 'foul tip' mechanic?
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Originally Posted by JetMetFan (Post 835046)
I just noticed! That's why I said in another thread some guys just do it out of habit.
Not only the C but the L....they were so in sync it looked like an Olympic synchronized swimming competition. The only thing missing were their swim caps.

JRutledge Sat Mar 31, 2012 02:39pm
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Originally Posted by JetMetFan (Post 834999)
That's why the words "trust you partner" jumped to the front of my mind. It's not in the T's PCA. It's not even in his secondary. I know he didn't have a matchup in front of him but the C has to live or die with that one unless it was an absolute train wreck.
Well I do not think trust is much of an issue for me here. I think this is just was this a good call period. This official could make that call if there was something to call, but I think this was a play-through at best. I just think this was a bad judgment, not so much about his partners.

Peace

JugglingReferee Mon Apr 02, 2012 10:51am
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Originally Posted by JetMetFan (Post 834967)
These are pretty clear cut but I wanted to put them up as teaching moments, especially for less-experienced officials.

This one shows why we should hold true to our PCA and trust our partners:

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With this one, based on the criteria in 5-8-2 (NOTE) should the play have been stopped?

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I think the T got it wrong.

2nd clip: it's a safety thing. Stopping the game is rarely, if not never, a bad call. My call would have been to allow an immediate attack to the basket.

JRutledge Mon Apr 02, 2012 10:59am
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Originally Posted by JugglingReferee (Post 835357)
I think the T got it wrong.

2nd clip: it's a safety thing. Stopping the game is rarely, if not never, a bad call. My call would have been to allow an immediate attack to the basket.
I agree it is a safety thing, but players do fake or over exaggerate there being hurt too sometimes to stop the play on the other end. I do not think that is the case here, but it happens enough this play should have continued.

Peace

tref Mon Apr 02, 2012 11:39am
The first play, whether the call is correct or not isnt the issue, at least give the primary official a crack at it!

No blood, no bone = no stopage

Just because he blew his chance at a highlight play, we stop the potential highlight on the other end??

JugglingReferee Mon Apr 02, 2012 11:46am
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Originally Posted by JRutledge (Post 835359)
I agree it is a safety thing, but players do fake or over exaggerate their being hurt too; sometimes to stop the play on the other end. I do not think that is the case here, but it happens enough this play should have continued.

Peace
Such things don't happen in small town Ontario. :D

Multiple Sports Mon Apr 02, 2012 12:47pm
The first play is a no call.......another example of someone trying to be a superstar....justt stay off the play. Someone did mention in a earlier post that their should have been a rotation which I agree with 100%.....

Toren Tue Apr 03, 2012 12:00am
Play 1: definitely need a rotation, play starts with a trap in the corner opposite the L and he's just chilling opposite. Then the ball goes to the elbow and he's still chilling opposite. And then we have the trail making the call long distance.
Wow, this was a pretty lousy play from the officials stand point.

Play 2: Both the L and the C use the deflected ball nonverbal mechanic. I didn't like the timing of the mechanic, at that point it was way too early and nobody seemed to question it. And someone definitely could have come in late with a whistle.
I also would have stayed away from blowing the play dead until the fast break ended. With that being said, the official who did blow it dead, didn't seem to think the kid was in any real danger since it takes forever for the staff to get to him. There was no urgency whatsoever.


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