More drivel from the local scribes

[just another ref]

Originally Posted by Nevadaref

No way should Marv Albert be making more during the game than an official.

Apples and oranges. One thing has nothing to do with the other.

$10,000 is the figure which I suggested would be fair when asked how much the NCAA should pay tournament officials.

How does one arrive at a "fair" amount in a case like this? Why not $20,000?

The NCAA and TV are making huge $ on this. The people who work it should see a bigger share.

How much do the cameramen make? Is it enough?

The golden rule applies here. Whoever has the gold makes the rules. If the officials in the tournament feel they are underpaid, I imagine there are countless others available who would do it for the same amount or less.

[Adam]

Originally Posted by just another ref

The golden rule applies here. Whoever has the gold makes the rules. If the officials in the tournament feel they are underpaid, I imagine there are countless others available who would do it for the same amount or less.

Doesn't mean they'll do the same quality of job, regardless of what Jay Bilas thinks.

[just another ref]

Originally Posted by Snaqwells

Doesn't mean they'll do the same quality of job, regardless of what Jay Bilas thinks.

I didn't say they would, and that wasn't the point. The point was that supply and demand is the key.

"Here is the job. This is what it pays."

"We accept."

Apparently both sides are satisfied at the moment. If either side becomes dissatisfied, then quality and quantity must be reexamined.

[Nevadaref]

Originally Posted by just another ref

Apples and orange. One thing has nothing to do with the other.

Both are on TV for the contest and performing a service. While their tasks are certainly different, there is some reason to make a comparison. We could also look at what the NCAA head coaches are paid.

Originally Posted by just another ref

How does one arrive at a "fair" amount in a case like this? Why not $20,000?

The same way that the players unions in the NFL and NBA determine what is a fair slice of the pie. The problem is that the officials don't have an organized union to negotiate on their behalf. Also one can look at what officials in other notable sporting events are paid--such as the NFL playoffs, NBA playoffs, the Champions League for soccer in Europe. That along with knowledge of the TV revenue should provide good guidance.

Originally Posted by just another ref

How much do the cameramen make? Is it enough?

I don't know, but it would be interesting to see and comical if they made more than the guys on the court.
Also, I believe that they have a union who handles this.

Originally Posted by just another ref

The golden rule applies here. Whoever has the gold makes the rules. If the officials in the tournament feel they are underpaid, I imagine there are countless others available who would do it for the same amount or less.

Yep, and in the end, you get what you pay for. If the talking heads and coaches wish to complain about the officiating, then part of the solution is higher pay to attract better talent and encourage people to put more time into the task.

[WhistlesAndStripes]

Originally Posted by Nevadaref

The same way that the players unions in the NFL and NBA determine what is a fair slice of the pie. The problem is that the officials don't have an organized union to negotiate on their behalf.

I don't see a lack of unions in this as a bad thing. That would just muddy things up even more. You just looking for more clients?(If I recall, you are an attorney, although I don't know what line of that work you do exactly.)

[canuckrefguy]

Adams himself admits the officials are working too much. It probably wouldn't take too much (hiring a few extra people in each conference) to fix that.

Either the NCAA is unable to do that, or unwilling to do that. I'm guessing it's the latter.

[twocentsworth]

Guys, the pay/game fee isn't the issue. The issue is who is hiring the officials. Each conference hires/assigns its' own staff (and they are VERY reluctant to relinquish that responsibility). If Art Hyland (assignor of the Big East) wants to hire official X to work on Tue. night, he has know idea that official X is working for Rick Boyages (assignor of the Big Ten) on Mon. night.

The only way to limit the number of games that officials work, is to create a system whereby the NCAA is responsible for assigning ALL games....one idea that has been discussed is to have NCAA Regional Assignors - who would assign officials for ALL schools located within their region (regardless of conference affiliation); an official would work ONLY in that region (probably the region where the reside). Under that system, the NCAA could control how many games/dates an official would work.

From what I've been told, there is already a battle brewing between the power conferences (Big Ten for sure) and the current NCAA officiating leadership. It will be interesting to see how that plays out and if any significant current occurs.

[eyezen]

I'm going to throw this out there, I could be wrong with my premise.

If you paid guys at the Division I level $1 million dollars a game and limited them to 2 nights a week would the officiating be discernibly that much better?

I'm not so sure it would be. Why?

1) They still would be human.
2) As everyone here knows, its freakin hard game to officiate.

Other than perhaps some of the guys in the NBA, are there people out there is the world that could do much better and the (lack of) money being paid is what is deterring them?

[just another ref]

Originally Posted by eyezen

i'm going to throw this out there, i could be wrong with my premise.

If you paid guys at the division i level $1 million dollars a game and limited them to 2 nights a week would the officiating be discernibly that much better?

I'm not so sure it would be. Why?

1) they still would be human.
2) as everyone here knows, its freakin hard game to officiate.

Other than perhaps some of the guys in the nba, are there people out there is the world that could do much better and the (lack of) money being paid is what is deterring them?

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