The NCAA Floor in Boston.

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by Nevadaref

So the NCAA can afford to take a $30,000 to $40,000 loss times 13 floors each year, but it won't do a significant bump in the pay for the tournament officials?
Also which schools get these new floors each year? Is there a process for allocating them, if more than 13 schools wish to buy?
Seems what the NCAA is doing could be viewed as subsidizing certain programs, but not others. Is there fairness here?

Originally Posted by just another ref

Spoken like labor. There is another point of view.

Management: We're taking a loss of nearly a half million dollars on these floors. We can't afford a pay raise for officials.

I'm one of the most pro-labor fellas you'll ever meet but I don't think NCAA tourney pay is a true concern for officials at this time, is it? They're getting paid per diem, travel, and put up at nice hotels. Are there any officials out there who are turning down NCAA tourney assignments b/c of inadequate compensation? Are there officials who are saying I'd rather work the first 2 rounds of the NIT at the local university and sleep in my own bed?

[just another ref]

Originally Posted by badnewsref

.... I don't think ncaa tourney pay is a true concern for officials at this time, is it? They're getting paid per diem, travel, and put up at nice hotels. Are there any officials out there who are turning down ncaa tourney assignments b/c of inadequate compensation?

+1

[Rich]

Originally Posted by BadNewsRef

I'm one of the most pro-labor fellas you'll ever meet but I don't think NCAA tourney pay is a true concern for officials at this time, is it? They're getting paid per diem, travel, and put up at nice hotels. Are there any officials out there who are turning down NCAA tourney assignments b/c of inadequate compensation? Are there officials who are saying I'd rather work the first 2 rounds of the NIT at the local university and sleep in my own bed?

Many guys would do these games for free, I'm guessing. So there's no reason to pay more than what they'd get in the regular season.

[Adam]

Originally Posted by GROUPthink

Many guys would do these games for free, I'm guessing. So there's no reason to pay more than what they'd get in the regular season.

I'd be willing to bet you could get quality announcers to do these games for free as well.

[Brad]

Originally Posted by Snaqwells

I'd be willing to bet you could get quality announcers to do these games for free as well.

The fact that some of them get paid now is a travesty.

[Brad]

Originally Posted by 7IronRef

I am sure that your local coaches and administrators feel the same about some in your group.

I'm sure ... and I'm sure some have thought that about me before too!

[Brad]

Originally Posted by GROUPthink

Many guys would do these games for free, I'm guessing. So there's no reason to pay more than what they'd get in the regular season.

Not the guys that are working the majority of the games the rest of the year. An official that is trying to move up and only works 10-20 D1 games a year, sure ... but I don't think the NCAA wants them working the tourney!

[Brad]

Originally Posted by BadNewsRef

I'm one of the most pro-labor fellas you'll ever meet but I don't think NCAA tourney pay is a true concern for officials at this time, is it? They're getting paid per diem, travel, and put up at nice hotels. Are there any officials out there who are turning down NCAA tourney assignments b/c of inadequate compensation?

No, but do you really think that the NCAA Tournament pay which comes with MUCH more scrutiny than during the regular season should be LESS than what an official makes in a normal conference game?

[QUOTE=BadNewsRef;834787]Are there officials who are saying I'd rather work the first 2 rounds of the NIT at the local university and sleep in my own bed?

Don't know, but I know there are officials that are working both because they want the extra money. Coaches and sports writers are always talking about officials working too many games —*if you want them to work fewer games you're going to have to pay more.

Money talks and BS walks!!

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by Brad

No, but do you really think that the NCAA Tournament pay which comes with MUCH more scrutiny than during the regular season should be LESS than what an official makes in a normal conference game?

Don't know, but I know there are officials that are working both because they want the extra money. Coaches and sports writers are always talking about officials working too many games —*if you want them to work fewer games you're going to have to pay more.

Money talks and BS walks!!

What do officials make for per game for each round of the tournament? Now add in the per diem, hotel, and travel that is also paid for by the NCAA. Most D1 conferences are paying flat fees now so the game check is fat (in the top echelon conferences) but you need to account for expenses out of the that check which makes the actual "game fee" less than the check received.

Also, the NCAA could pay $10K for a tourney game and that same official will still take that $2K (???) NIT/CBI/CIT game if it falls outside restricted windows.

[Brad]

Originally Posted by BadNewsRef

Also, the NCAA could pay $10K for a tourney game and that same official will still take that $2K (???) NIT/CBI/CIT game if it falls outside restricted windows.

True ... but there was another article this year about NCAA tournament officials working the NIT. I think there are those that would like to extend the window where officials can't work to more than it is currently. However, I don't think that they can since officials are independent contractors, so it's probably more of a legal issue.

[brainbrian]

Originally Posted by BadNewsRef

What do officials make for per game for each round of the tournament?

Not sure if this was rhetorical or not, but...

Officials’ fees and expenses, paid by direct deposit by the NCAA, shall be as follows: Transportation arrangements shall be made through the NCAA travel service, Short’s Travel, 866/655-9215. The Association will pay transportation expenses not to exceed coach air fare, or 50 cents per mile, but not including terminal or other local transportation; $75 per diem; and $1000 fee per first-/second-/third-round game, $1,400 fee per regional game, $2,000 per national semifinal or championship game. Payment will be made from the national office in Indianapolis the week following the games. Officials’ room and tax will be paid by the host institution and reported on the host institution’s financial report. Two tickets shall be available for each official to purchase for any tournament session at the site he is officiating, whether he advances or not. Officials who are advancing to the next session shall be provided a seat for the game(s) they are not working, and officials who do not advance must use one of the two tickets they may purchase if they choose to attend the next session.

from https://ncaambb.arbitersports.com/Gr...olicies(1).pdf

[Texas Aggie]

5-6 floors are sold off and the ones from the first 3 rounds (including the First Four) are stored and reused:

The article said ALL courts have been sold. Storage is while they wait for the buyer or wait for the installation.

[BktBallRef]

Who would want that hideous floor they played on tonight? Can't see any of the Final Four teams wanting a green floor.

[Rich]

Originally Posted by BktBallRef

Who would want that hideous floor they played on tonight? Can't see any of the Final Four teams wanting a green floor.

The floors that get reused get repainted in the team's colors. Still saves them a boatload of money. Doesn't matter -- the last few championship floors have been bought by the winner to give away / sell as momentos.

[BktBallRef]

Originally Posted by GROUPthink

The floors that get reused get repainted in the team's colors. Still saves them a boatload of money. Doesn't matter -- the last few championship floors have been bought by the winner to give away / sell as momentos.

They need to paint it before Monday 9pm.