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Raymond Fri Mar 23, 2012 07:33am
Quote:
Originally Posted by BillyMac (Post 833831)
"Hey Coach. This is the first time that you've challenged my call and it will be the last time that a you challenge my call. Don't expect me to ever work in this gym again. I will be blocking your team on Arbiter as soon as I get home."
Uh oh, actually a relevant and funny joke by BM. :p

rhodyref401 Fri Mar 23, 2012 08:32am
I would like to apologize to nevadaref and everyone else for lashing out on yesterday, I was having a bad day so my emotions may have gotten the best of me. I know this site will be instrumental in my development as an official so I will continue to come here to learn.

tref Fri Mar 23, 2012 08:40am
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Originally Posted by rhodyref401 (Post 833855)
I would like to apologize to nevadref and everyone else for lashing out on yesterday, I was having a bad day so my emotions may have gotten the best of me. I know this site will be instrumental in my development as an official so I will continue to come here to learn.
Smart man, where else can you get free knowledge & interaction with officials from across the globe all year...

Raymond Fri Mar 23, 2012 09:33am
Quote:
Originally Posted by rhodyref401 (Post 833855)
I would like to apologize to nevadaref and everyone else for lashing out on yesterday, I was having a bad day so my emotions may have gotten the best of me. I know this site will be instrumental in my development as an official so I will continue to come here to learn.
I once T'd up a coach in the first few minutes of the first game of the morning in a summer camp b/c I had a hangover. :o

Adam Fri Mar 23, 2012 09:53am
Quote:
Originally Posted by rhodyref401 (Post 833855)
I would like to apologize to nevadaref and everyone else for lashing out on yesterday, I was having a bad day so my emotions may have gotten the best of me. I know this site will be instrumental in my development as an official so I will continue to come here to learn.
+1

Been there, done that.

Rich Fri Mar 23, 2012 10:22am
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Originally Posted by BadNewsRef (Post 833837)
Part of learning the rules is learning the correct terminology, pure and simple. If that offends you then don't ask fellow officials to answer your questions, just go straight to the rule book where you don't have to worry about personalities.

You and Duffman should start a revolution.

You 2 never would have survived if these guys were giving you feedback:

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Thanks for posting this.

I think that the "old guard" was too standoffish, but I see their point -- it's a slippery slope once you start putting your arm around a coach or acting buddy-buddy with some of the players. Even at the HS level, I'm certain to sped exactly the same amount of time before the game with each coach, even if I do know one coach extremely well (to the point where I've had beers in the off-season with that coach). On the floor, perception is everything.

Mark T. DeNucci, Sr. Fri Mar 23, 2012 03:04pm
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Originally Posted by rhodyref401 (Post 833771)
I asked a question i didn't asked to be chastised, if my lack of knowledge irritates you please don't respond. I am in my 4th month of reffing so if I feel a little unsure about certain rules then i'm gonna seek out clarification. No need to be a jerk.

I want no parts of friendly advice from you sir.

RhodyRef:

I am an IAABO Official just like you. Since you don't want Nevada's advice, then take mine. Nevada was correct in correcting you. We are the professionals and experts; using correct terminalogy is what separates us from the "fanboys" and "howler monkeys" and all of the other riff-raff out there.

A good example is a defender "obtains" a LGP in NCAA and FIBA Rules, while in NFHS the defender "establishes" a LGP (even though it was "obtain" in NFHS until about 20 years ago and it was a personal friend and a NFHS Committee Member who pushed for the word be changed from "establish" to "obtain" in both the NCAA and NFHS Rules, but that is another story).

Use correct terminalogy and you significantly reduce the chance of your words coming back to haunt you.

MTD, Sr.

JetMetFan Fri Mar 23, 2012 03:14pm
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Use correct terminalogy and you significantly reduce the chance of your words coming back to haunt you.
And remember Rhody, spelling counts :D

rhodyref401 Fri Mar 23, 2012 03:50pm
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Originally Posted by Mark T. DeNucci, Sr. (Post 833919)
RhodyRef:

I am an IAABO Official just like you. Since you don't want Nevada's advice, then take mine. Nevada was correct in correcting you. We are the professionals and experts; using correct terminalogy is what separates us from the "fanboys" and "howler monkeys" and all of the other riff-raff out there.

A good example is a defender "obtains" a LGP in NCAA and FIBA Rules, while in NFHS the defender "establishes" a LGP (even though it was "obtain" in NFHS until about 20 years ago and it was a personal friend and a NFHS Committee Member who pushed for the word be changed from "establish" to "obtain" in both the NCAA and NFHS Rules, but that is another story).

Use correct terminalogy and you significantly reduce the chance of your words coming back to haunt you.

MTD, Sr.
thanks for the advice mark, I have apologized to nevada for my out burst on yesterday I was having a bad day, but I do understand he was right in correcting me.

APG Fri Mar 23, 2012 06:31pm
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Originally Posted by Mark T. DeNucci, Sr. (Post 833919)
RhodyRef:

I am an IAABO Official just like you. Since you don't want Nevada's advice, then take mine. Nevada was correct in correcting you. We are the professionals and experts; using correct terminalogy is what separates us from the "fanboys" and "howler monkeys" and all of the other riff-raff out there.

A good example is a defender "obtains" a LGP in NCAA and FIBA Rules, while in NFHS the defender "establishes" a LGP (even though it was "obtain" in NFHS until about 20 years ago and it was a personal friend and a NFHS Committee Member who pushed for the word be changed from "establish" to "obtain" in both the NCAA and NFHS Rules, but that is another story).

Use correct terminalogy and you significantly reduce the chance of your words coming back to haunt you.

MTD, Sr.
To me, the difference between "obtain" and "establish" is the same difference between endline vs. baseline.

BillyMac Fri Mar 23, 2012 06:35pm
The Pigs Are Flying Tonight ...
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by BadNewsRef (Post 833840)
Actually a relevant and funny joke by BM
Even if you blindfold him, and spin him around a couple of times, if you give him enough whacks, the kid's eventually going to hit the piņata.

BillyMac Fri Mar 23, 2012 06:37pm
Nah Nah Nah Nah Nah ...
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by BillyMac (Post 833831)
"Hey Coach. This is the first time that you've challenged my call and it will be the last time that a you challenge my call. Don't expect me to ever work in this gym again. I will be blocking your team on Arbiter as soon as I get home."
"And, I'm taking the basketball home with me".

Adam Fri Mar 23, 2012 08:25pm
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Originally Posted by allpurposegamer (Post 833956)
to me, the difference between "obtain" and "establish" is the same difference between endline vs. Baseline.
+1

Mark T. DeNucci, Sr. Sat Mar 24, 2012 09:18am
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Originally Posted by AllPurposeGamer (Post 833956)
To me, the difference between "obtain" and "establish" is the same difference between endline vs. baseline.


APG:

I agree with you, but Ed Ferrigno thought that the word "obtain" was a better word than "establish" and was able to convince the NFHS Rules Committee but was never able to convince the NCAA Rules Committee. When discussing NFHS Rules with H.S. officials I still find myself using the word "establish" instead of "obtain".

MTD, Sr.

just another ref Sat Mar 24, 2012 12:46pm
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Originally Posted by Mark T. DeNucci, Sr. (Post 834043)
APG:

I agree with you, but Ed Ferrigno thought that the word "obtain" was a better word than "establish" and was able to convince the NFHS Rules Committee but was never able to convince the NCAA Rules Committee. When discussing NFHS Rules with H.S. officials I still find myself using the word "establish" instead of contain.

MTD, Sr.
Weird spellcheck malfunction?


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